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Single line sections that would benefit from becoming multitrack?

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Stations with one platform have level access for all passengers for all trains. Adding a second platform at, e.g.,Malton would mean that all passengers heading to York would have to tramp up and over a footbridge or faff around waiting for lifts (as they now have to do at Cambridge which previously had level access to all platforms). I am pretty sure that the passengers are happy with the present arrangements.
 
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Assuming we're not counting some ridiculous and short sighted turning of double lead junctions into single leads under the latter days of BR (Haughley Jn, Midcalder Jn, Dore station) then the list is actually quite short.
Quite a number of conversions of double junctions into single lead junctions were actually carried out to eliminate 1 in 8 obtuse crossings. It was found that certain diesel locos had a tendency to go down the wrong side of the crossing nose. At the time, raised check rails were not an option, thanks to the flangeless centre drivers on 9F locos.

This left several options.

1. Install switch diamonds. Expensive to install and maintain.

2. Tighten the crossing angle to 1 in 7.5. Probably requiring realignment and speed reductions.

3. All single leads, including replacing the diamond with two single leads facing each other. The best option for operating but required 4 leads and increased junction length was often not attainable in constricted area.

4. Single line before the junction and single lead out onto the main line. If the crossover can be eliminated, only 2 leads required but increases potential delays. Obviously cheapest so a no brainer in those constrained times.
 

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Weston-super-Mare was probably justified in being singled, since BR could not have envisioned how much the town would expand from the 70s onwards.

Its been on the list of potential redoublings for many years. Although since GWR have dramatically improved punctuality and operations over the last few years, its been dropped, since it hasnt caused so many problems lately
It’s still on the Network Rail “wish” list, but like various other “upgrades”, until there is some specific external funding for it, nothing will happen.

And the current layout is still causing problems. It’s not as noticeable in comparison to say the main line problems between Reading and Paddington.

Only last month, there was load of disruption at Weston, Which was made even worse. A delayed five car IET for Cardiff Central was in platform two, a Turbo for Severn Beach was in platform one. A longer IET from Paddington was approaching Worle. For some reason the Turbo got the road (granted it was it’s booked departure time) so it went onto the single line.

Then it was realised that the IET from Paddington was too long for platform one. So the Cardiff IET had to reverse towards Taunton on to the signal line. The driver change ends again, then it went through platform one. Only then could the Paddington IET proceed to platform two.

The original cause of the Cardiff IET was unrelated, but if the line between W-s-Mare and Worle Jcn was double line, it would substantially reduce delays when things go wrong. Plus it would increase capacity and flexibility especially as it’s then easier to deal with stopping services that also call at Weston Milton.

And don’t forget, if a train is held on the main line at either Worle jcn or Uphill Jcn, that can delay any other trains on the main line as well as other services that call at Weston.
 

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Crewe North Staffordshire Junction to Barthomley Junction - only takes trains about 3 minutes to run over the single track section but can quickly cause significant delays.
IIRC this was singled when that section was electrified, to avoid rebuilding bridges which didn't provide sufficient clearance for the OLE?
 

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Pointless single track sections that could be got rid of?

The 37 mile section of the Glasgow South Western line beyond Girvan, to Stranraer, perhaps?
 

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Of course but what I was saying is that if we want to run something extra we usually do. It's no big issue.
Indeed in general what matters is transit time through the single section, this is one of the shortest there is. In planning it looks like it's one minute to one and a half minutes, in practice it looks like a few seconds.
 

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Ware is surely the most obvious example?
It's on the Hertford East branch and I don't think getting rid of that would be a particularly good idea to be honest. Hertford North and Hertford East are quite close together so I guess an argument could be made that it doesn't need to go all the way but the station at Ware is not currently suited to be a terminus and it would be very difficult to expand it. So really this should be kept.

Also I think many are misunderstanding this post. It's about completely removing sections, not double tracking them. And double tracking at Ware is very difficult anyway.
 
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There is another very short section of single track on the Bournemouth - Weymouth route at Weymouth station throat. It's only a few hundred metres, but it can be quite irritating waiting just outside the station on a service from Bristol waiting for a London-bound service (which inevitably gets priority) to clear it.


And don’t forget, if a train is held on the main line at either Worle jcn or Uphill Jcn, that can delay any other trains on the main line as well as other services that call at Weston.

It's very common in my experience for the XX45 XC southbound service from Bristol Temple Meads to be delayed because the XX25 stopper to Weston is waiting at Worle for a late running northbound service to clear the single line from Weston. If the double track could be extended far enough from Worle Junction to allow all Weston-bound trains off the mainline, that would be very useful without any expensive alterations to stations.
 

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Indeed in general what matters is transit time through the single section, this is one of the shortest there is. In planning it looks like it's one minute to one and a half minutes, in practice it looks like a few seconds.
It’s extremely quick mate. In a perfect world it would be double track but it is what it is. To rectify would be a hugely expensive project that’s way down the pecking order.
 

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Trowse swing bridge must be a capacity constraint.
There aren’t that many that run over it - I think it’s 8 each hour plus a very small amount of freight/non passenger. There are two London LS to Norwich and vice versa, and one Norwich to Cambridge/Stansted Airport and vice versa, as well as 1 Norwich to Liverpool Lime Street and vice versa.
 

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Presumably a loop somewhere would be sufficient to allow 2tph, and that might avoid any station rebuilding.

Yes, but if the Up Freight line was abolished as a result any potential future freight traffic would be severely constrained; And if it was retained some complicated resignalling would be required!
 

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It might not be the most pointless, but tolerances on the timetable are so tight between Knaresborough and York that a 5 min delay can quickly turn into a much longer delay because of the single track sections.
 

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It's very common in my experience for the XX45 XC southbound service from Bristol Temple Meads to be delayed because the XX25 stopper to Weston is waiting at Worle for a late running northbound service to clear the single line from Weston. If the double track could be extended far enough from Worle Junction to allow all Weston-bound trains off the mainline, that would be very useful without any expensive alterations to stations.
There was a whole thread on Weston-Super-Mare fairly recently, including maps of the possibility of extending the double track sufficiently far to allow trains to clear the main line.

Link to Old Thread: Work in Addition to Portishead Reopening

I assume the bigger issue is the Worle end rather than the south end. There are more trains that start/end their journeys in Weston-Super-Mare from the Bristol direction.
 

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Between Grimsby Town & Cleethorpes there is a single track section which could do with being a double track but difficult with the land & the housing nearby.
 

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The one at York on the Scarborough line confuses me
Apparently the bridge over the Ouse was not strong enough to support two trains at once, so to guarantee that two trains passing over it simultaneously would never occur, a short single section stub was made there. IIRC the bridge problems have been sorted, but now for redoubling the area needs to be resignalled.
 

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Apparently the bridge over the Ouse was not strong enough to support two trains at once, so to guarantee that two trains passing over it simultaneously would never occur, a short single section stub was made there.
Putting both tracks in the same signalling block would normally prevent two trains being on the bridge together. Putting both directions on the same track ensures that if any trains ignore the signals they will have a head-on collision. I can see why the former is a good idea, but I can't see why anyone would think the latter was a good idea.
 

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It was Diss to Trowse that was to be singled as a late economy measure. I had never heard of any intention to single from Stowmarket.

You may be right, my recollection was single from Haughley to Trowse with a a passing loop at Diss.
I was told it was going to be singled Haughley Jn to Trowse with the loop at Diss too. Would be bonkers now with 4 passenger trains plus random freights and other ECS moves over that section these days.
 

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Thingley Junction - Bradford Junction. Singled in the 70s when a freight only route. Then Melksham re-opened with a token service,but now a major diversionary route when the B&H goes wrong. Now diverted trains get delayed waiting access over the single line.
Likewise Penzance to Long Rock. Trains are often delayed due to waiting block.
 

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Thingley Junction - Bradford Junction. Singled in the 70s when a freight only route. Then Melksham re-opened with a token service,but now a major diversionary route when the B&H goes wrong. Now diverted trains get delayed waiting access over the single line.
A mile or so of double at each end might be useful to allow a train to clear the mainlines while waiting for single line branch clearance.
Likewise Penzance to Long Rock. Trains are often delayed due to waiting block.
Difficult without sacrificing depot capacity. Around a train's length of extra double track close to the station could be useful, shortening the single line and allowing a departure to leave and clear its platform while waiting for an incoming train to clear the section. The existing carriage reception road might be repurposed for this with a new crossover near the footbridge where the buffer stops for the new sidings are.
 

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I bet NIR are cursing whoever decided that the viaduct between (what is now) Lanyon Place and York Street should be single, complete with a short enough to be next to useless loop in the middle.
That loop was supposed to be the site of Donegall Quay station I think. I totally agree that the single track Dargan Bridge and viaduct approaches was a stupid idea and probably the most pointless single track section in the UK mentioned on this thread.
Unfortunately, due to the proximity of the motorway and buildings around it, you'd probably struggle to double track the section without tunnelling. Something that would suffice to provide extra capacity is a loop Antrim - Aldergrove for Belfast International Airport- Crumlin - Lisburn - suburban stops into Belfast Lanyon Place - York St - Mossley West - Antrim every 30 mins, with plenty of pathing time around the Belfast Lanyon Place/York St area so that it can dive into the loop.
 

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Best half of the Borders Railway could be doubled up. There's plenty of clearance on much of the single track sections. Midlothian's largest expansion is going to be just to the east of Newtongrange over the next 10 years, and demand is already high on the full length of the route.

Can't see it happening mind.

Still, it would be a better campaign objective than the current Campaign for Borders Railway's goal of getting it extended to Carlisle, which just obviously isn't going to happen.
 

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That loop was supposed to be the site of Donegall Quay station I think. I totally agree that the single track Dargan Bridge and viaduct approaches was a stupid idea and probably the most pointless single track section in the UK mentioned on this thread.
I agree it was extremely short-sighted to build a brand new railway right in the middle of the city as a single track. The most urban trackage in Northern Ireland with such limited capability. I recall it had been a difficult time for rail there at the time. Politically and economically, the single track was likely the only realistic option, and was a positive development for the city and broader rail network. Was the idea that Donegal Quay would replace York Street, as they'd be very close with under half a mile between them? Donegal Quay looks a better site for serving that side of the city centre.
Unfortunately, due to the proximity of the motorway and buildings around it, you'd probably struggle to double track the section without tunnelling. Something that would suffice to provide extra capacity is a loop Antrim - Aldergrove for Belfast International Airport- Crumlin - Lisburn - suburban stops into Belfast Lanyon Place - York St - Mossley West - Antrim every 30 mins, with plenty of pathing time around the Belfast Lanyon Place/York St area so that it can dive into the loop.
It might be worth doubling the section from York Street to the passing loop, leaving a shorter single line just crossing the Lagan. It'd likely need to be a second elevated viaduct alongside the existing. There aren't many buildings close to the line along this stretch.
 
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I agree it was extremely short-sighted to build a brand new railway right in the middle of the city as a single track. The most urban trackage in Northern Ireland with such limited capability. I recall it had been a difficult time for rail there at the time. Politically and economically, the single track was likely the only realistic option, and was a positive development for the city and broader rail network. Was the idea that Donegal Quay would replace York Street, as they'd be very close with under half a mile between them? Donegal Quay looks a better site for serving that side of the city centre.
Indeed, it was a very difficult time. NIR was outdated and had received bugger all investment for a long time before the Dargan Bridge was built. I don't think the plan was to replace it necessarily, York Street (Yorkgate at that time) is in a pretty inaccessible area, hemmed in alongside the motorway, and there's a really busy junction to cross on the way into the northern side of Belfast city centre.
Donegall Quay would be much better located for most of the target market, but I guess they've prioritised other more important projects.
It might be worth doubling the section from York Street to the passing loop, leaving a shorter single line just crossing the Lagan. It'd likely need to be a second elevated viaduct alongside the existing. There aren't many buildings close to the line along this stretch.
Perhaps, although it might have to wait as the NI Government have plans to rebuild the whole disaster of an intersection just below the section of viaduct you're talking about and they are very complex, so we'll be waiting until the 2030s for anything to be done about that I think.
 

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I suppose the single section after Bodmin Parkway on the viaducts and around Marazion - PZ stretch. They probably don’t cause that much difficulty in planning, but for a more frequent service they might be challenging.
 

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It's on the Hertford East branch and I don't think getting rid of that would be a particularly good idea to be honest. Hertford North and Hertford East are quite close together so I guess an argument could be made that it doesn't need to go all the way but the station at Ware is not currently suited to be a terminus and it would be very difficult to expand it. So really this should be kept.

Also I think many are misunderstanding this post. It's about completely removing sections, not double tracking them. And double tracking at Ware is very difficult anyway.

To clarify, the intention of this thread is to be about removing single track sections on multiple track railways - usually by re-doubling.

It's not about adding to the continuing unmitigated national disaster that was the closure programme.
 

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To clarify, the intention of this thread is to be about removing single track sections on multiple track railways - usually by re-doubling.
In order to be redoubled, that track section needs to have been double track at some point in the past.
 

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In order to be redoubled, that track section needs to have been double track at some point in the past.

As the OP of this thread, I will allow doubling of short sections of single track that have always been there as on topic.
 

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