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145 years since the Tay Bridge Disaster

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145 years ago today - 28th December 1879 - the Tay Bridge collapsed in a storm. 75 died and the designer, Sir Thomas Bouch, died in disgrace less than a year later.

On the 28th December 1879, during a ferocious storm, the Tay Bridge collapsed killing 75 passengers and crew.

The cause was never conclusively known, but Thomas Bouch was disgraced and blamed for bad workmanship.

High winds undoubtedly played a part in the disaster that day, but recent research has shown that the cast iron used to join the columns of the bridge together may have become brittle under great strain. It seems that the wrong material was used to build what was the longest railway bridge in the world at the time.
 
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The poet was right! It would be remember'd for a very long time.
Beautiful Railway Bridge of the Silv’ry Tay!
Alas! I am very sorry to say
That ninety lives have been taken away
On the last Sabbath day of 1879,
Which will be remember’d for a very long time.
 

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An awful disaster indeed. I have a fragment from one of the piers.
 

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145 years ago today - 28th December 1879 - the Tay Bridge collapsed in a storm. 75 died and the designer, Sir Thomas Bouch, died in disgrace less than a year later.
Was that number of fatalities ever conclusively confirmed? Be right in saying that not all the bodies of those believed on board were subsequently recovered?
 

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I'm fairly sure that it was the only railway accident in the UK where everyone involved died.
 

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I'm fairly sure that it was the only railway accident in the UK where everyone involved died.
Indeed. No known survivors. BTW, has any other UK railway disaster involved the train in question being catastrophically lost off a collapsed bridge in the middle of a river crossing? There was the incident at Glanrhyd Bridge/River Towy in Wales in October 1987. Any others?
 

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Any others?
The Baddengorm bridge accident on 18th June 1914. The 11 50 Perth-Inverness passenger train had just departed from Carrbridge when the bridge over the Baddengorm Burn collapsed under the train after having been undermined by a wall of water caused by a sudden cloudburst on the mountainside above. The last five carriages fell into the gorge below and five passengers lost their lives.
 

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A good book about the fall of the Tay Bridge is "The High Girders" by John Prebble, which is still widely available. As an aside, I was in Dundee today for lunch with my wife, sons and cousin, when I happened to mention the anniversary of the disaster.

This went down like a lead balloon as I'd forgotten that after lunch my older son was getting a train from Dundee to Edinburgh over the existing bridge...o_O
 

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Was that number of fatalities ever conclusively confirmed? Be right in saying that not all the bodies of those believed on board were subsequently recovered?
59 is the highest confirmed death toll (this figure is on the memorial either side of the Tay); the erroneous figure of 75 is believed to have been the result of double-counting in a Dundee Courier article published two days later (30th December 1879). Only 46 bodies were ever recovered.
 

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59 is the highest confirmed death toll (this figure is on the memorial either side of the Tay); the erroneous figure of 75 is believed to have been the result of double-counting in a Dundee Courier article published two days later (30th December 1879). Only 46 bodies were ever recovered.
According to LTC Rolt's "Red for Danger" it was originally thought there were over 300 people on the train, until it was realised that the tickets, (which had been collected - as was usual practice - at a ticket platform before the bridge) had been put in the same box as tickets for earlier trains that day.

I'm fairly sure that it was the only railway accident in the UK where everyone involved died.
Probably the only passenger train accident for which that is true. Doubtless there will have been goods train or light engine accidents in which the crew died. Rolt reports, among a litany of accidents in the first week of January 1843 on the North Midland Railway, a collision at Barnsley between a luggage train and a passenger train, with a 100% death toll of the passengers(*), but the fates of the crews involved are not reported.

(*) there was only one.
 
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According to LTC Rolt's "Red for Danger" it was originally thought there were over 300 people on the train, until it was realised that the tickets, (which had been collected - as was usual practice - at a ticket platform before the bridge) had been put in the same box as tickets for earlier trains that day.
Yikes. Blanching just thinking about there being that many in a alternate timeline; many times worse than Harrow & Quintinshill combined. As things actually stand, I believe it remains the 5th worst rail accident in UK history and one of a very few from that era whose events and aftereffects are still felt & widely discussed today (I suspect in large part thanks to a certain ahem... 'poet').

On this subject, these galleries of the original bridge under construction and after completion (titled 'High Girders'), the disaster and it's aftermath (titled 'Lamb Collection' and consisting of illustrations and headlines from newpapers of the period alongside actual photos) and the construction of the second bridge should all be of interest. Found on the Leisure And Culture Dundee site.

Virtual Gallery: “High Girders” | Leisure & Culture Dundee

Virtual Gallery: Lamb Collection | Leisure & Culture Dundee

Virtual Gallery: New Bridge 1887 | Leisure & Culture Dundee

Plainly evident in several photos of the original bridge are the 12 brick piers closest to the south/Fife bank of the Tay. After the discovery that the riverbed wasn't quite as 'rock' and 'solid' as the initial surveys had suggested, the original plan to have brick piers from end to end was scrapped in favour of cast iron colunms the rest of the way across. Image that best illustrates this is attached below:

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Really emphasises the slap-dash, cost-cutting nature of the entire project and the disaster really was a case of when, not if when taking all contributing factors into consideration.
 

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Indeed. No known survivors. BTW, has any other UK railway disaster involved the train in question being catastrophically lost off a collapsed bridge in the middle of a river crossing? There was the incident at Glanrhyd Bridge/River Towy in Wales in October 1987. Any others?
Straying from UK shores, the collapse of the bridge over the Birs river under the weight of a passenger train at Muenchenstein in 1891 was historically the worst railway accident in Switzerland. 73 people died and 171 were injured in this tragedy. The bridge was designed by Gustave Eiffel, who had rather more success with a subsequent project in Paris!
 

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Yikes. Blanching just thinking about there being that many in a alternate timeline; many times worse than Harrow & Quintinshill combined.
A bit of an exaggeration - 300 is less than twice the death toll at Quintinshill alone - the actual figure was never determined because the roll of the Royal Scots perished in the fire along with many of the men whose names were recorded on it, but the official figure is 226. Harrow's toll was 112.

We've come a long way. Now it's headline news if a train collision causes a passenger to have a heart attack.
 

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A bit of an exaggeration - 300 is less than twice the death toll at Quintinshill alone - the actual figure was never determined because the roll of the Royal Scots perished in the fire along with many of the men whose names were recorded on it, but the official figure is 226. Harrow's toll was 112.

We've come a long way. Now it's headline news if a train collision causes a passenger to have a heart attack.
Yeah, very true. That was admittedly a poor comparison on my part.
 

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The locomotive involved was eventually recovered, rebuilt and returned to service, where it was known as "The Diver" and generally kept off the rebuilt bridge.
 

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The locomotive involved was eventually recovered, rebuilt and returned to service, where it was known as "The Diver" and generally kept off the rebuilt bridge.
IIRC "The Diver" had further claims to fame. It was not only the first inside cylinder 4-4-0 to run in Great Britain, but after the accident was then rebuilt as a tandem compound - a rare beast indeed.
 

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Indeed. No known survivors. BTW, has any other UK railway disaster involved the train in question being catastrophically lost off a collapsed bridge in the middle of a river crossing? There was the incident at Glanrhyd Bridge/River Towy in Wales in October 1987. Any others?
Also the Staplehurst accident, where Charles Dickens was a passenger, not physically injured but Rolt suggests it affected him and contributed to his death not long after.

There was also the narrow gauge train blown off the Owencarrow viaduct in Ireland, though the viaduct didn't actually collapse. And the sidelong collision of two trains at Irk Valley Junction which sent one of them off the viaduct on which the junction was situated (and still is, now part of Metrolink - had some serious discussion of that one at the hazard workshop).

Railways Archive accident search brings up multiple results for "train fall from height" but some of these may not be viaducts.
 

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Any truth in the long held rumour(s) that the following February, a "small house" was spotted floating around in the North Sea, just off the Norway coast, which, when recovered, was discovered (supposedly) to be a smashed up "Edinburgh and Glasgow Railway" carriage, and then, a few months later, a train carriage door?

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(Contemporary newspaper report from 1880.)
 

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Also the Staplehurst accident, where Charles Dickens was a passenger, not physically injured but Rolt suggests it affected him and contributed to his death not long after.

There was also the narrow gauge train blown off the Owencarrow viaduct in Ireland, though the viaduct didn't actually collapse. And the sidelong collision of two trains at Irk Valley Junction which sent one of them off the viaduct on which the junction was situated
None of these involved the collapse of the bridge - Staplehurst was a derailment due to a missing rail - maintenence workers were in the process of replacing it - Owencarrow another derailment caused by high winds (which indeed may have been the initial cause of the Tay Bridge) and irk valley was a collision.
 

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The locomotive involved was eventually recovered, rebuilt and returned to service, where it was known as "The Diver" and generally kept off the rebuilt bridge.
It seems that The Diver crossed the new Tay Bridge for the first time on the 29th anniversary of the disaster - this time without incident!
 

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Railways Archive accident search brings up multiple results for "train fall from height" but some of these may not be viaducts.
There was also the Penistone viaduct collapse on 2nd February 1916, in which Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway 2-4-2 tank loco no. 661 was precipated into the valley below. Luckily the collapse was gradual and the crew had time to jump clear.
 

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The Tay Bridge Disaster features in the novel "Hatters Castle", by AJ Cronin, where one of the main characters dies in the disaster.
 

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The Tay Bridge Disaster features in the novel "Hatters Castle", by AJ Cronin, where one of the main characters dies in the disaster.
Rail disasters seem to be a theme in Mr Cronin's novels. In 'Dr Finlay's Casebook', the eponymous Doctor is involved in the derailment of a Euston-Perth overnight train near the fictitious town of Knoxhill, Lanarkshire.
 

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Straying from UK shores, the collapse of the bridge over the Birs river under the weight of a passenger train at Muenchenstein in 1891 was historically the worst railway accident in Switzerland. 73 people died and 171 were injured in this tragedy. The bridge was designed by Gustave Eiffel, who had rather more success with a subsequent project in Paris!

Wasn't that bridge basically sound as designed, but failed due to subsequent strengthenings for heavier loads being inadequate (though was deemed good for the time) and, perhaps most importantly, one of the corners being unsupported due to flood damage, placing constant strain, and subsequently load, on the structure? The pier was repaired, but not the lasting damage to the bridge.
 

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Straying from UK shores, the collapse of the bridge over the Birs river under the weight of a passenger train at Muenchenstein in 1891 was historically the worst railway accident in Switzerland. 73 people died and 171 were injured in this tragedy. The bridge was designed by Gustave Eiffel, who had rather more success with a subsequent project in Paris!
Another overseas example is the Ashtabula River bridge collapse - aka the Ashtabula Horror - in Ohio, which occurred exactly 3 years to the day before the Tay Bridge catastrophe (29th December 1876) and for eerily similar reasons: a poorly designed, built and maintained bridge collapsing with a train on it in the midst of bad weather (a blizzard in this case). Approximately 92 out of the 160 people on board were killed in the collapse and ensuing inferno (set off by the train's oil lamps and coal-fired heating stoves).

With all the usual caveats, the Wikipedia article is a good starting point:

 

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The recent thread on memorials made me think that, for people who know the history, the stumps of the piers of the old bridge still visible alongside the current bridge work in the same way as a memorial, in that they remind you of the event and make you think about it.
 

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The recent thread on memorials made me think that, for people who know the history, the stumps of the piers of the old bridge still visible alongside the current bridge work in the same way as a memorial, in that they remind you of the event and make you think about it.
Indeed, a grim reminder. I've also heard it said that the stumps of the original bridge were left in place to act as breakwaters for the current bridge's piers. I can well believe it if that were indeed the case, but I've not seen anything really confirming it.
 

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Indeed, a grim reminder. I've also heard it said that the stumps of the original bridge were left in place to act as breakwaters for the current bridge's piers. I can well believe it if that were indeed the case, but I've not seen anything really confirming it.
To be honest, they were probably just too difficult and expensive to dig out from the bed of the firth.
 

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