156 hits flood in Ayrshire: Could this be the first 156 write-off??

[dubscottie]

Looks like this could be the first 156 unit to go..

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-30576434

Passenger hurt as train hits flood in East Ayrshire

A passenger was hurt when a train came to a halt after striking flood water on a rail line in East Ayrshire.

ScotRail said the passenger was treated "for a minor head injury" following the incident near Mauchline, between Kilmarnock and Auchinleck, on Sunday.

The train operator said the 22:12 Glasgow Central to Carlisle service "came to a halt after striking a large volume of water" on the line.

Passengers were taken off the train by fire crews.

A spokeswoman for ScotRail said: "We are currently working with Network Rail to move the train and re-open the line as soon as possible..."

Would need total rebuild and re-wire. Would it be worth it now given its age?

 

[83G/84D]

Hard to tell from that image but I would guess that some water has entered the saloon areas of both cars. Electrics underneath are probably damaged by flood water along with the engines and other components.

Too early to write it off, it will need a proper assessment at a depot when it has been recovered and dried out.

 

[edwin_m]

Wiring must be OK, the tail lights are still working!

Was the EMU that was submerged up to roof level on the Argyle line written off?

 

[XCTurbostar]

I doubt it will be written off. Still probably in better condition than AGA's 156s!

Thanks,
Ross

 

[Minilad]

It won't be written off. it will just be passed to the RailSail fleet

 

[83G/84D]

The unit concerned 1s thought to be 156478. Agreed the tail lights are still lit, they work off batteries when the engines are shut down don't they? If so where are they situated.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Wiring must be OK, the tail lights are still working!

Was the EMU that was submerged up to roof level on the Argyle line written off?

I'd be more concerned for the engines, etc. The 314 that almost drowned didn't have engines to worry about. Hopefully there's enough spare parts lying around to basically replace everything below the water line.

 

[dubscottie]

Wiring must be OK, the tail lights are still working!

Was the EMU that was submerged up to roof level on the Argyle line written off?

It was repaired..

 

[Monty]

Doesn't too look too bad, granted it may need a rewire and a complete internal overhaul but so long as the body is still good I don't see why it wouldn't be repaired.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Doesn't too look too bad, granted it may need a rewire and a complete internal overhaul but so long as the body is still good I don't see why it wouldn't be repaired.

I wouldn't be surprised if this unit ends up being a 'test bed' for the 'Scenic Stock' overhauls...

 

[GatwickDepress]

Just put it by the radiator for a few days!

 

[driver9000]

The unit concerned 1s thought to be 156478. Agreed the tail lights are still lit, they work off batteries when the engines are shut down don't they? If so where are they situated.

The batteries are in a case below the solebar.

I'd be surprised if this causes the unit to be written off as spares are plentiful and rugged.

 

[ainsworth74]

If they bothered to fix the one that had an altercation with a slurry lorry down in East Anglia a couple of years ago I think they'll be able to fix this one somehow...

To be honest I'd say this is one of the least serious cases of damage ever sustained by a 156 that's had to be evacuated!

 

[sprinterguy]

Would need total rebuild and re-wire. Would it be worth it now given its age?

They're robust old things, those 156s. Given the levels of collision damage they have been repaired after, I don't think (though I am certainly no expert) that this sort of water ingress will result in a write off, when Scotrail operate such a large fleet presumably with a large store of spare components.

What astonishes me is just how deep the flooding is that this unit has hit: The rail industry usually monitors rising water levels impinging on the permanent way very closely, and that unit must be sitting in at least five or six feet of water: While I know that the service on the Glasgow & South Western isn't the most frequent, that still suggests a surprisingly rapid increase in water level.

 

[BlythPower]

Surely they'll just dry it out and send it to Northern?

Actually, they might not bother with the drying out bit...

 

[Cliveblackpool]

The engines could be damaged if they sucked water in through the air intakes, if those are fairy high up they will be ok. (Water cannot be compressed and the pistons etc damaged) I would say the train will be back in service after drying out, overhaul, and new carpets etc.

 

[90sWereBetter]

It should be fine, one of AGA's 153s ended up stranded at Lowestoft last December, when a storm surge hit the town, and it was found sitting in almost the same amount of water as that 156 in the BBC picture. It was only off service for about two months iirc.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Was the 153 switched on when it got flooded though?

 

[SPADTrap]

It should be fine, one of AGA's 153s ended up stranded at Lowestoft last December, when a storm surge hit the town, and it was found sitting in almost the same amount of water as that 156 in the BBC picture. It was only off service for about two months iirc.

Was that 153 shut down though? Unless the driver realised and thought rapidly and shut it down I'd guess some damage was done by this water ingress!

 

[185]

Reckon after that, it'll probably be one of the best 156s in service.

Night in a nice warm depot, check the AFES fire system and most other stuff should be okay, has happened before in Humberside if I remember right.

 

[90sWereBetter]

I believe said 153 (153314) was waiting to depart on a late service to Norwich when the surge started to flood the tracks. I don't know if it was switched on at the time, but given that trains at Lowestoft tend to be left on whilst waiting at the station, I assume it was.

EDIT: Turns out 153314 wasn't as submerged as the 156.

 

[starrymarkb]

As long as the driver didn't try to restart the engine it should be OK. From experience with vehicles if the engine cuts out then it's going to need draining and disassemble and rebuild. Cranking it after it cuts out is usually when the damage is done!

 

[Eng274]

478 was accident damaged a couple of years ago striking a landslide, so not the luckiest of units.. Looks like it'll need a full assessment once it's dried out, but at the very minimum it'll need: a new engine, transmission, bogies (bearings most likely full of water) and cardan shafts, WSP, air tanks possibly, air piping renewed/drained, auxiliary heater, couplers and electrical heads. Basically it needs a C4 overhaul. Interior will be in some state as well.

 

[Strathclyder]

Wiring must be OK, the tail lights are still working!

Was the EMU that was submerged up to roof level on the Argyle line written off?

I assume that you're talking about the pair of 314s (314208 & 314212) that were submerged when the River Kelvin burst it's banks in December 1994? They were severely damaged, but were repaired and returned to service.

More info on the incident here:
http://www.hiddenglasgow.com/rail/flood1994/index.htm

 

[47802]

Surely they'll just dry it out and send it to Northern?

Actually, they might not bother with the drying out bit...

Yes but they would have put notices up apologising for the better quality than normal interior

 

[deltic08]

Surely they'll just dry it out and send it to Northern?

Actually, they might not bother with the drying out bit...

Yes please. A dripping wet 156 is still preferable to a Pacer. Doesn't look deep enough to wet seats.

 

[WarrenTManager]

5913 was resurrected after far worse

 

[Blindtraveler]

What astonishes me is just how deep the flooding is that this unit has hit: The rail industry usually monitors rising water levels impinging on the permanent way very closely, and that unit must be sitting in at least five or six feet of water: While I know that the service on the Glasgow & South Western isn't the most frequent, that still suggests a surprisingly rapid increase in water level.

A number of parts of this route are prone to getting a tad damp when we get these Biblical quantitties of rain and when I used to live near Dumfries bustitutions were common in both directions. I am therefor rather amazed that there wernt at least a few emergency speed restrictions in place and, given how much rain fell during the latter part of Sunday that the 22:12x GLC wasnt bustituted from Kilmarnock onwards and restarted at Dumfries with a unit and crewe from Carlisle.

As to the unit, I would think that if they repaired the one that derailed on the WHL A few years back then this one will get done also. Maybe the first Scotrail 156 to be re-seated and include plugs and Wifi as a prototype seenic unit? I think someone else suggested this. If a total internal refit is to happen I would guess at full DDA mods being done also, making this the first compliant Scottish Sprinter.

 

[SpacePhoenix]

They're robust old things, those 156s. Given the levels of collision damage they have been repaired after, I don't think (though I am certainly no expert) that this sort of water ingress will result in a write off, when Scotrail operate such a large fleet presumably with a large store of spare components.

What astonishes me is just how deep the flooding is that this unit has hit: The rail industry usually monitors rising water levels impinging on the permanent way very closely, and that unit must be sitting in at least five or six feet of water: While I know that the service on the Glasgow & South Western isn't the most frequent, that still suggests a surprisingly rapid increase in water level.

Would the signalbox have seen any sort of indication that something was up form the water interfering with either track circuits or axel counters (or something else)?

 

[Tracked]

Yes please. A dripping wet 156 is still preferable to a Pacer. Doesn't look deep enough to wet seats.

Wouldn't the main problem with a pacer in this sort of situation be the risk of it floating away?