607, Shepherds Bush to Uxbridge: Is there a future for this route?

[NorthKent1989]

I got on this route the other day, and it was positively slow, so slow it might as well have gone backwards, its semi fast at best, we were over taken by two
207's and another two 427's.

Should this route have less stops or scrapped altogether? Latter might be difficult as it us a popular route and I can see the outcry if it were axed.

I do support more express routes in London, especially orbital routes or express routes that parallel radial trunk routes in areas with little or no rail or tube links

 

[Busaholic]

I got on thus route the other day, and it was positively slow, so slow it might as well have gone backwards, its semi fast at best, we were over taken by two
207's and another two 427's.

Should this route have less stops or scrapped altogether? Latter might be difficult as it us a popular route and I can see the outcry if it were axed.

I do support more express routes in London, especially orbital routes or express routes that parallel radial trunk routes in areas with little or no rail or tube links

TfL's plans in the area to coincide with Crossrail will see the 427 cut back from Acton, so the 607 will likely see more passengers, especially those intent on getting value for money. I doubt that in view of this any further stops will be omitted. The West London equivalent of the X68 it won't be!

 

[NorthKent1989]

TfL's plans in the area to coincide with Crossrail will see the 427 cut back from Acton, so the 607 will likely see more passengers, especially those intent on getting value for money. I doubt that in view of this any further stops will be omitted. The West London equivalent of the X68 it won't be!

It is still very much needed as there are no parallel train/tube lines, I'm sure more stops have been added since 1990

 

[Antman]

I got on thus route the other day, and it was positively slow, so slow it might as well have gone backwards, its semi fast at best, we were over taken by two
207's and another two 427's.

Should this route have less stops or scrapped altogether? Latter might be difficult as it us a popular route and I can see the outcry if it were axed.

I do support more express routes in London, especially orbital routes or express routes that parallel radial trunk routes in areas with little or no rail or tube links

Whenever I've travelled on the 607 it's been pretty quick overtaking several 207/427's, it would be nice to see more routes like this.

 

[matt_world2004]

607 at 6:30 in the morning has 85 passengers on board by southall police station. It's not going to be cut back. I would guess your bus was overtaken by a 427/207 was due to the loadings with the 427 /207 being unusally quiet and the 607 being full. Usually between hayes by pass and southall town hall the 607 will be overtaken by. 207 briefly anyway because the 207 is empty. Likewise the same thing would happen at the other end on the 427 between acton and Ealing Broadway

 

[NorthKent1989]

Whenever I've travelled on the 607 it's been pretty quick overtaking several 207/427's, it would be nice to see more routes like this.

Theoretically, London should have way more express routes, for a metropolis of it's size, considering smaller towns have them, its staggering there are only three in operation, two of which originate in Croydon.

But I doubt TfL will introduce more any time soon because its probably more profitable to shove customers onto tube lines and train lines which are TfL operated.

 

[Antman]

Theoretically, London should have way more express routes, for a metropolis of it's size, considering smaller towns have them, its staggering there are only three in operation, two of which originate in Croydon.

But I doubt TfL will introduce more any time soon because its probably more profitable to shove customers onto tube lines and train lines which are TfL operated.

I agree, the X53 got the chop when the Jubilee Line extension opened.

 

[matt_world2004]

Theoretically, London should have way more express routes, for a metropolis of it's size, considering smaller towns have them, its staggering there are only three in operation, two of which originate in Croydon.

But I doubt TfL will introduce more any time soon because its probably more profitable to shove customers onto tube lines and train lines which are TfL operated.

X140 will probably launch when crossrail goes to heathrow airport,

 

[Mutant Lemming]

Wasn't it supposed to have been a tram by now ?

 

[NorthKent1989]

Wasn't it supposed to have been a tram by now ?

The West London tram/metro was cast into the lost schemes bin years ago and tbh I can see why, building a tram line through several busy town centres would cause years of endless delays, its not like when they built the Croydon Tram, its 80% on former BR branch lines with the street bits only in Croydon itself and even then its on the sides streets of Croydon.

A trolleybus on the other hand would be favorable, trolleybuses are the future in my opinion, they can function like a tram, but built in more than half the time with little delay.

 

[Busaholic]

A trolleybus on the other hand would be favorable, trolleybuses are the future in my opinion, they can function like a tram, but built in more than half the time with little delay.

They could number it 607 too and perhaps have a purpose-built depot for it at, let's say, Hanwell. I'm not laughing at your suggestion, by the way, it's eminently sensible imo. Two other places in London which would lend themselves to trolleybuses are Barking, with the East London Transit routes EL 1-3 and Thamesmead. Coincidentally, all these are in areas which had experience of trolleybuses before, now remembered by fewer and fewer people, but fond memories.

 

[Mutant Lemming]

They could number it 607 too and perhaps have a purpose-built depot for it at, let's say, Hanwell. I'm not laughing at your suggestion, by the way, it's eminently sensible imo. Two other places in London which would lend themselves to trolleybuses are Barking, with the East London Transit routes EL 1-3 and Thamesmead. Coincidentally, all these are in areas which had experience of trolleybuses before, now remembered by fewer and fewer people, but fond memories.

Could have those hybrid types (think I seen them in Wuppertal) that can cover non-wired up sections by batteries that are charged while under the wires which would require less overhead equipment.

 

[NorthKent1989]

They could number it 607 too and perhaps have a purpose-built depot for it at, let's say, Hanwell. I'm not laughing at your suggestion, by the way, it's eminently sensible imo. Two other places in London which would lend themselves to trolleybuses are Barking, with the East London Transit routes EL 1-3 and Thamesmead. Coincidentally, all these are in areas which had experience of trolleybuses before, now remembered by fewer and fewer people, but fond memories.

I would love to see trolleybuses on the streets of London, even in the old photos they looked more attractive than trams did.

The East London Transit should be converted to trolleybus, I can think of several routes that could be converted, mainly radial routes that stretch from the inner central areas to the outer suburban town centres like the 207/427/607 routes

 

[radamfi]

I'm not sure we are likely to see trolleybuses anywhere now that battery buses are now a thing. What is most important, IMO, is to get proper priority so whatever vehicles are providing the service, whether it is a regular bus, trolleybus, battery bus or tram, they don't get snarled up in traffic. If we can't have a fully segregated tram, proper BRT following the Dutch or South American model would be good.

 

[Busaholic]

I would love to see trolleybuses on the streets of London, even in the old photos they looked more attractive than trams did.

The East London Transit should be converted to trolleybus, I can think of several routes that could be converted, mainly radial routes that stretch from the inner central areas to the outer suburban town centres like the 207/427/607 routes

Trams on the streets of London (as opposed to on old railway alignments) beyond the existing limited Croydon set-up are very unlikely to materialise imo in the next twenty years. The trolleybus is seeing a comeback, admittedly not in large numbers (as yet) in different parts of the world and, perhaps more importantly, some systems previously under threat are no longer so. The absence of a major manufacturer of new trolleybuses is a thorn in the side, as neither tram manufacturers nor bus makers seem willing to grasp the nettle. Personally, I think it's up to bus builders to come up with a viable modern trolleybus with significant off-wire capability.

 

[daodao]

Trams on the streets of London (as opposed to on old railway alignments) beyond the existing limited Croydon set-up are very unlikely to materialise imo in the next twenty years. The trolleybus is seeing a comeback, admittedly not in large numbers (as yet) in different parts of the world and, perhaps more importantly, some systems previously under threat are no longer so. The absence of a major manufacturer of new trolleybuses is a thorn in the side, as neither tram manufacturers nor bus makers seem willing to grasp the nettle. Personally, I think it's up to bus builders to come up with a viable modern trolleybus with significant off-wire capability.

Trolleybuses are obsolescent with the development of viable off-wire battery electric buses. A few European towns/cities are retaining/extending them, mostly in Central Europe, but many systems in former Communist countries and China have been closed or retracted in recent years (including Moskva where routes have been removed from central areas) and this trend is continuing. The demise of the Leeds proposal means that they are now highly unlikely to make a comeback in the UK.

 

[Busaholic]

Trolleybuses are obsolescent with the development of viable off-wire battery electric buses. A few European towns/cities are retaining/extending them, mostly in Central Europe, but many systems in former Communist countries and China have been closed or retracted in recent years (including Moskva where routes have been removed from central areas) and this trend is continuing. The demise of the Leeds proposal means that they are now highly unlikely to make a comeback in the UK.

Leeds was only a sop to these dismayed at not getting a tram network and was in any case undermined by the attitude of the semi-monopolistic First West Yorkshire bus operator with their pie-in-the-sky proposals for 'alternative' bus measures, virtually all of which have now been conveniently forgotten about.

The viability of battery electric buses is as yet unproven on all but the shortest of routes, or ones where overhead charging has to be provided at each terminus for what would in most cases be way in excess of normal terminal times.