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Just began to notice this this winter, when oncoming traffic has those white/blue headlights I really have difficulty seeing where I'm going as I'm being dazzled. They clearly aren't accidentally on full beam, but I don't have this trouble with the older bulbs.

Is it just me and my age? I have frequent eye tests, especially for glaucoma and I'm clear on all counts, but it has got to the stage where I now can't go out and drive at night if it involves roads which are unlit. Is there anything I can buy r/e spectacles which will absorb the glare? Anyone else?
 
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Just began to notice this this winter, when oncoming traffic has those white/blue headlights I really have difficulty seeing where I'm going as I'm being dazzled. They clearly aren't accidentally on full beam, but I don't have this trouble with the older bulbs.

Is it just me and my age? I have frequent eye tests, especially for glaucoma and I'm clear on all counts, but it has got to the stage where I now can't go out and drive at night if it involves roads which are unlit. Is there anything I can buy r/e spectacles which will absorb the glare? Anyone else?
Do you keep the inside of your windscreen clean ? That will not solve the problem completely, but it will help.

By 'clean' I mean proper glass cleaner, not just wiped with a cloth of uncertain origin.
 

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I don't think it's you, they just make cars like that now. I've heard lots of people complain about it. A lot of cyclists have over-bright / badly positioned front lights too nowadays.
 

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Do you keep the inside of your windscreen clean ? That will not solve the problem completely, but it will help.

By 'clean' I mean proper glass cleaner, not just wiped with a cloth of uncertain origin.

Yes, very clean! Wondering if there's a film I can add to the screen to reduce the glare but not obstruct my view?

Dunno about the situation today, but in my younger years France had yellow bulbs and British cars had to adapt. If these lights today are dazzling, maybe the o/s ones could be changed to yellow (either the bulb or by film)?

Interesting to read the post above that I'm clearly not the only one!
 
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Spare a thought for the cyclist - and pedestrians - who get dazzled by full beam by all the drivers who think that they only need to dip them for other car drivers.

The auto-dip/beam are just as bad, as they leave full beam on when approaching pedestrians and cyclists, completely blinding them to the point of forcing them off the road until their vision returns. BMW 4x4s being by far the worst in my experience - both for headlight angle and driver behaviour.
 

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I don’t know your age, but I’m 73 and really struggle to drive at night on unlit streets. I avoid night driving whenever possible. Many of my friends are of a similar age and they feel exactly the same.
66; as I alluded to no known eyesight issues and I'm checked regularly. Never had any bother before these new lights came in. If someone left their full beam on, a polite flash would remind them and they'd switch back; but today's lights appear on full beam permanently. I'm sure they're not?
 

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I believe from my driving experiences that the modern optics on car headlights gives a much sharper flat dipped beam. The result is that if there is the slightest 'hump' in the road between you and the approaching car the 'dipped' beam is now pointing upwards a bit and therefore is less 'dipped' than it should be.
There is also the problem of people who fail to check their lights before moving off and either have one or more lights inoperative or worse still badly adjusted or even one headlamp on full-beam and one on dipped!
I did twelve miles or so in rush-hour traffic one evening late last week and I reckon 20-25% of cars had faulty lighting.
 

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I believe from my driving experiences that the modern optics on car headlights gives a much sharper flat dipped beam. The result is that if there is the slightest 'hump' in the road between you and the approaching car the 'dipped' beam is now pointing upwards a bit and therefore is less 'dipped' than it should be.
There is also the problem of people who fail to check their lights before moving off and either have one or more lights inoperative or worse still badly adjusted or even one headlamp on full-beam and one on dipped!
I did twelve miles or so in rush-hour traffic one evening late last week and I reckon 20-25% of cars had faulty lighting.

Shouldn't an MOT pick that up?
 

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Shouldn't an MOT pick that up?
Ought to - but that's a check only once a year! I for one when we're running into the early dark evenings check all my lights whenever I can, preferably once a week. Interestingly it was one of my early driving instructors who suggested doing that. (I learnt to drive in the early 1970s.)
 

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66; as I alluded to no known eyesight issues and I'm checked regularly. Never had any bother before these new lights came in. If someone left their full beam on, a polite flash would remind them and they'd switch back; but today's lights appear on full beam permanently. I'm sure they're not?
How new is 'new' ? The most recent technology change is LED, which started about ten years ago.
 

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How new is 'new' ? The most recent technology change is LED, which started about ten years ago.
Only just really noticed them, there may be more now than, say, 5 years ago (??) and it's only recently I've been driving where there are no road lights - example yesterday evening coming home form hockey down a country lane (no other option). Most of my driving has been urban where there's plenty of other light around to not make this an issue.
 

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When I got new glasses for driving I specified anti-glare coating, it does help. Actually they are vari-focal because reading the dashboard display is different focus length to looking hundreds of metres ahead
 
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Just began to notice this this winter, when oncoming traffic has those white/blue headlights I really have difficulty seeing where I'm going as I'm being dazzled. They clearly aren't accidentally on full beam, but I don't have this trouble with the older bulbs.

Is it just me and my age? I have frequent eye tests, especially for glaucoma and I'm clear on all counts, but it has got to the stage where I now can't go out and drive at night if it involves roads which are unlit. Is there anything I can buy r/e spectacles which will absorb the glare? Anyone else?
Have you been checked for cataracts? Different to Glaucoma.
 

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I don’t know if this is common or standard on other makes of cars, but my last two Ford cars have had auto-dimming rear view mirrors. This is something I would not be without. A massive help for night driving. Vehicles travelling behind you can dazzle almost as much as vehicles travelling towards you.
 

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BBC South article from 6th November as follows:

The impact of bright lights on road users is being independently investigated for the first time.
Transport Research Laboratory (TRL) in Berkshire will equip a car with specialist instruments to measure light levels in the same way drivers experience them.
The modified vehicle will also monitor weather conditions and ambient light to help build a complete picture of the circumstances most likely to lead to headlight glare. TRL will report Its findings and give recommendations to the Department of Transport next spring.
The new research comes after an increasing number of drivers have reported being dazzled by oncoming headlights to optometrists and motoring organisations.
The RAC said they welcomed the new research and said they had campaigned for a study to delve into the issue for many months.
Rachael Smith, who works at Rawlings Opticians & Hearing Care in Winchester, said: "We see drivers of all age ranges, from 17 right through to older people, and they all complain about glare and discomfort, or being dazzled."
Rachael Smith is an optometrist. She has a blonde, bobbed hair and is looking towards the camera - smiling. She is inside the optometrists, standing beside a rack of glasses.
Ms Smith said when a person was dazzled by a bright light, the chemicals inside the eye became "bleached out", which can cause colour spots. She said it takes between one and four seconds for the eye to recover, depending on a person's age. "But if you’re travelling at 60mph that’s quite a difference in the amount of road covered," she said.
It is not just drivers who are impacted. Ian Loader, chair of Cyclox - a bike campaign group from Oxford, believes bright lights are a symptom of the fact that cars are getting "bigger, heavier and higher on the road". This means their lights are more likely to fall into the sight line of pedestrians and cyclists. He said: “The risk is drivers have lights that are so bright that you feel you are making yourself safe but you’re actually making the environment around you less safe, because you are interrupting the vision of people around you.”
Over the last decade many car manufacturers have moved away from yellow halogen lights in favour of high intensity discharge beams (HIDs). HIDs sit at the blue and white end of the colour spectrum and keep drivers safer by lighting the road more clearly. But some road users say their brightness can be a nuisance.
Mark Hill is an expert witness with Transport Research Laboratory and has investigated accidents caused by bright headlights As a former police officer with Sussex Police, and now an expert witness, Mark Hill has investigated more than 1,000 road accidents. He said occasionally crashes were a direct result of bright lights causing "catastrophic consequences". Mr Hill said he remembered one investigation that involved a car travelling at night around the bend of an unlit country road. As the driver came out of the bend he was met by an oncoming vehicle which had its full main beam lights on. This caused the young driver of the first vehicle to become disorientated and "resulted in a serious collision", Mr Hill said.
TRL will finish its initial research next year.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c74lq35jdego
 

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Just began to notice this this winter, when oncoming traffic has those white/blue headlights I really have difficulty seeing where I'm going as I'm being dazzled. They clearly aren't accidentally on full beam, but I don't have this trouble with the older bulbs.

Is it just me and my age? I have frequent eye tests, especially for glaucoma and I'm clear on all counts, but it has got to the stage where I now can't go out and drive at night if it involves roads which are unlit. Is there anything I can buy r/e spectacles which will absorb the glare? Anyone else?
I began to notice this about ten years ago, when I was in my mid-70s. One possible cause is that (as I understand it), as you get older your eyes take longer to adjust when the bright lights of an oncoming vehicle are followed by darkness. It certainly isn't caused by cataracts, at least in my case, as I had them removed in 2011. I'm now reluctant to drive at night on unlit single carriageways.

A few years back there were many adverts online for tinted glasses which claimed to help in this situation. On the other hand, I also read that it was unwise to wear them because they reduced the amount of light reaching your eyes in the dark and you might not spot something that you needed to. I have a pair but rarely use them.

As another poster has said, the French requirement for yellow headlamps was very helpful, but I doubt it will be reintroduced.

I fear that we're discussing one of the problems of ageing.
 

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You can buy some yellow-tinted goggles that you can wear when driving or clip over your existing glasses. Can pick them up very cheaply. Polaroid do a pair for about £5.

I'd also check your seat position.
 

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Driving a traditional-sized hatch back I find that taller vehicles/family trucks seem to have their headlights at my eye level and glare from both ahead and behind.
 

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Just began to notice this this winter, when oncoming traffic has those white/blue headlights I really have difficulty seeing where I'm going as I'm being dazzled. They clearly aren't accidentally on full beam, but I don't have this trouble with the older bulbs.

Is it just me and my age? I have frequent eye tests, especially for glaucoma and I'm clear on all counts, but it has got to the stage where I now can't go out and drive at night if it involves roads which are unlit. Is there anything I can buy r/e spectacles which will absorb the glare? Anyone else?
It's not just you, Howard. I had a break from driving for a few years and when I started again I noticed that headlights were noticeably brighter than what I'd been used to.

The auto-dip/beam are just as bad, as they leave full beam on when approaching pedestrians and cyclists, completely blinding them to the point of forcing them off the road until their vision returns. BMW 4x4s being by far the worst in my experience - both for headlight angle and driver behaviour.
I can't blame any specific manufacturer, but I suspect "auto dip" is a big issue here. I don't believe that the auto bit is as intelligent as it should be and I have no faith in anyone who relies on these auto features to over-ride their car's decision!

It's interesting that you should mention pedestrians; I was out the other night and was dazzled by a couple of people who were out running and wearing head torches.

Maybe we should all take a moment to consider our actions and how they affect others. :)

Have you been checked for cataracts? Different to Glaucoma.
@Howardh has had their eyes checked - I'm sure that the optometrist would have noticed cataracts if they were present!
 

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Maybe we should all take a moment to consider our actions and how they affect others. :)
Be careful with such radical statements. About 2,000 years ago one man got nailed to a tree for saying how great it would be to be nice to people for a change!
[courtesy of Douglas Adams]
 

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Reading all the helpful replies it appears that it's probably just an ageing thing and eyes unable to adjust - a bit like when they can't adjust for reading etc. Although I didn't know the lights could be on "auto-adjust" and maybe they are on full-beam too often?

Wonder then if train drivers are checked regularly, although unlikely to be dazzled by oncoming trains, spotting signal lights in the gloom could be an issue? Anyhow it virtually ends night-time countryside driving for me, nearly crashed last week into road-narrows bollards when dazzled by oncoming cars from the right hand bend - luckily I was going slowly - well under the speed limit - and stopped in time.

Photo of bollard blocking lane to slow traffic down
 

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It's not an age thing. Technology has improved to make them brighter, there is an upward trend of people going for bigger SUV type vehicles that put headlights higher and more in the eyeline. There are also those that use overly bright illegal bulbs and LED bulbs in non suitable housings...ie LED bulbs in reflector housings.
 

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look at all you old fellas moaning on about the modern bright lights! ;)

I have noticed it to and suspect, as above, it it is to do with the bulbs & technology changing so that dipped beams don't seem to be that dipped anymore and/or vehicles are much bigger/higher these days. Everyone seems to drive a mini SUV thing now.

I find it less of a problem when in the van than in the car.
 

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A number of years ago I was particularly struck by this statement from one of the NTSB board members in the report on a coach accident in the US:

Older drivers may experience difficulty at highway interchanges and other
complex driving situations because of diminished capabilities typically related
to age. For example, they have reduced night vision and contrast sensitivity. For
every decade after age 25, drivers need twice the brightness at night to receive
visual information. Hence, by the time some drivers reach the age of 75, they need
32 times the brightness they required at age 25.


NTSB/HAR-08/01
 

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I find it worse when a car behind me has high beams on as they reflect in my mirrors, meaning it's harder to see ahead.
 

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….there is an upward trend of people going for bigger SUV type vehicles that put headlights higher and more in the eyeline.…
I drive a Ford Kuga which I believe is classed as an SUV. It is not a large car by any means, but the reason I bought it is because it is higher, making it easier for me (age 73) and the wife to get in to and out of. As you get older, not only does night driving become an issue, but also ingress & egress :frown:

I find it worse when a car behind me has high beams on as they reflect in my mirrors, meaning it's harder to see ahead.
See my comment regarding rear view mirrors in post #16 :)
 

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I drive a Ford Kuga which I believe is classed as an SUV. It is not a large car by any means, but the reason I bought it is because it is higher, making it easier for me (age 73) and the wife to get in to and out of. As you get older, not only does night driving become an issue, but also ingress & egress :frown:


See my comment regarding rear view mirrors in post #16 :)
The Kuga isn't a big SUV and there is nothing wrong with owning one (or any other SUV) in my opinion. Just pointing out that (even the smaller) SUVs will have headlights higher than traditional non SUVs. The Kuga is no different in that respect as can be seen when compared against a Focus for example.
 
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