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defitzi

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This post developed from an original appeal by me for info on BRITRAIL (NOT InterRail ) Pass prices which proved completly unfruitful. I now know that BRITRAI PASS prices are deliberately not disclosed in UK (or Ireland) nor can the passes be booked online in the UK. Nor was information or any purchase/booking option available through any of the usual railway booking sources or from ATOC media!

:cry:Being an overseas resident :(I was planning an extensive rail tour this summer as "last time trip" (I am 73) doing research . After extensive failure to ascertain price of BritRail passes (all sites /sales researched blacked-out (censored?) price info, and all atempts top book failed.
BRITRAIL Passes are only available abroad -available to ALL overseas residents! YET Sites accessed from Google in other EC countries produceD exactly the same results as in the UK. All my research was done from Dublin but each and every site offering BritRrail passes for sale refused to disclose prices or permit booking or give any further info although all claim that Britail passes ARE available to ALL overseas visitors-specifically ALL non UK residents- but not, it seems, to overseas VISITORS ALREADY IN THE UK!
As a result, a film company which I underttook research for, is making a extensive History of Railways worldwide (numerous episodes will be made in UK and Ireland. As aresult to th BRITRAIL pass fiasco, it is now changing its plans and will not, as originally intended, be buying lots and lots of BRITRAIL passes. Instead, it will now spend 50k on a motorhome (and resell that later) and so will save lots and lots of money by NOT using the railways here and other services.
Great for the economy? judge for yourself, 'cos for sure, none of that company's money will now go to fill the coffers of greedy TOC or ticket agency shareholders. ([email protected])
A new albeit, associated, project is planned-with 80% filming from linesides!
I have been amazed to discover how many supposedly different sites, all claiming to be BritRail bookers and sellers, lead back to just one source-Rail Europe, who also will not disclose (in the UK) prices for BRITRAIL passes.
But please note: the motorhome was purchased OUTSIDE the UK, will also be taxed, insured etc OUTSIDE the UK, and so the company involved will spend considerably less monies than it originally intended to spend in the UK. And BritRail passes would have accounted for just a fraction of the original planned expenditure on fares, sleepers, hotels and other facets of the project that would havbe b een spent had the original project gone ahead using rather a lot of BritRail passes.
I have edited this as it seems the original point I was makmng was was not entirely clear: the start was an atempt to cost BRITRAIL poasses which proved impossible to do in either the UK or in the Republic of Ireland and so the first nail in the shoe was lost.....
Perhaps I should have made it clear at the very beginning, that BRITRAIL passes ARE NOT Interail passes!
Sorry if my original was not as clear as it should have been-I am recovering from extensive eye surgery and admirable IE's assistance for the handicapped has been, it is still somewhat difficult to use the net as I used to!
 
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Is anyone else finding it hard to understand what "defitzi" wants/is pointing out?

Yes - a quick sense check before posting wouldn't go amiss - nor would using subjects in new posts instead of "defitzi".
 
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Is anyone else finding it hard to understand what "defitzi" wants/is pointing out?

Click the link below to buy an Interail Great Britain Pass if that's what you're after:

http://www.interrailnet.com/interrail-one-country-pass-great-britain

Anyone for instance yourself, good Si,:roll:r having difficulty understanding the thrust of my post might notice I have at no time referred to inter-rail passes! My post is about BRITRAIL (spelt BRITRAIL) passes not inter-rail which, unlike BRITRAIL PASSES ARE available to UK residents.
My post aims to highlight that there are many sites offering to sell BRITRAIL passes along with (limited) information about them) but which refuse top do so. Neither do they disclose the prices of these passes on their sites- indeed, they refuse to do so.
I will be delighted if you, Sir, can show me a site that either gives to prices of BRIT RAIL passes or allows one to book/buy any one of these passes, either online or otherwise.
Perhaps you might care to re-read my original post a bit more carefully?
 

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Although I agree that the Original Post is not easy to read, www.britrail.com doesn't readily give out any information on prices:


  • the front page "Book Your Pass" just leads to a "web page doesn't exist" message (possibly because I'm in the UK)


  • the page advertising the England/Wales/Scotland pass lists the price as "* Prices are currently not available for this product in ."
 

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Helpfully it used to inform you that you weren’t able go any further because you visiting the site from the UK. Another botched site redesign me thinks.
 

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These are screenshots from www.britrail.com, the site thinks I'm in the Netherlands although I'm actually in Germany. Don't know if that's because our computer servers are in the Hague or because I foolishly installed the dutch version of Firefox.

The prices are in euros
 

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From Hong Kong, booking a Britrail pass gives slightly different choices and prices.
 

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Everytime I try to see the prices it says "Sorry... That page doesn't exist...".
 

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no no not here!"
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---
also no prices or bookings!!!
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---
says sorry that page doesn't exist when you click "get your pass..."
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---
interail but is not Britrail.....
 

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So: I spend 50k on a motorhome ( and resell later) and so will sav e lots and l;ots of mopney by NOT using services for four months such as hotels, restaurants, loos, etc!
Great for the economy? judge for yourself 'cos for sure, none of my money will now go to fill the coffers of greedy TOC or agency shareholders and will advise same info to all my contacts, foums, posts, broadcasts world wide- approx estimate 2 million recipients mainly in the tourist realm. ([email protected])
A new albeit associated project is planned-from linesides!

Based on your past posts, I think (with respect) that anyone who does read what you write won't take it seriously. At best they will assume you're incompetent or a rambling lunatic - if you slow down and check what you're writing you will have a better chance all round of being understood and finding information.


Prices for a 1 month senior BritRail Pass are €569 first class, €475 standard class.

 

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ooops thanks all the same but... when I wrote the original I was incapicated after a series of eye operations, Later discovered ie has helpmeets for sight impaired and so I have since edited and amended the original to a more readable state. but...thanks anyway: interesting that someone has been able to suss at least one ofd the BRIT RAILl prices: perhaps if the company I quoited had been able to access them earlier quite a batch would have been purchased but as it is.....
 

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Aye, the BritRail pass site checks the visitors IP and serves a fake 404 to any requests for the booking engine that originate from the UK range of IP addresses. In practice, this isn't a bad means of access control...But it doesn't always work perfectly, as some multinational connection providers (Deutsche Telekom, O² etc) might connect foreign users through a British node (Or vice-versa) for network load balancing. :|

For those wishing to access the BritRail site (And other sites using IP access control) properly from wherever though, the Tor Project might be worth a look - This is an annonymity network built on onion networking, and can be used to route traffic to the Internet from connections anywhere in the World. :)

Incidentally: How do the BritRail rules affect citizens with dual nationality? I know someone who holds both British and Canadian passports...So could he still use one as a Canadian national, or would his British citizenship prevent that? :?:

Also: Wouldn't the barring of British citizens from the BritRail site/obtaining a BritRail pass actually count as racial discrimination? If I was to run a shop and refuse to serve customers from Germany or Poland, I know I would be dragged in front of the race court faster than an APT with myself at the controls...So surely the same HAS to apply to BritFail? :shock::roll:<D
 

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Aye, the BritRail pass site checks the visitors IP and serves a fake 404 to any requests for the booking engine that originate from the UK range of IP addresses. In practice, this isn't a bad means of access control...But it doesn't always work perfectly, as some multinational connection providers (Deutsche Telekom, O² etc) might connect foreign users through a British node (Or vice-versa) for network load balancing. :|

For those wishing to access the BritRail site (And other sites using IP access control) properly from wherever though, the Tor Project might be worth a look - This is an annonymity network built on onion networking, and can be used to route traffic to the Internet from connections anywhere in the World. :)

Incidentally: How do the BritRail rules affect citizens with dual nationality? I know someone who holds both British and Canadian passports...So could he still use one as a Canadian national, or would his British citizenship prevent that? :?:

Also: Wouldn't the barring of British citizens from the BritRail site/obtaining a BritRail pass actually count as racial discrimination? If I was to run a shop and refuse to serve customers from Germany or Poland, I know I would be dragged in front of the race court faster than an APT with myself at the controls...So surely the same HAS to apply to BritFail? :shock::roll:<D

No, because the site is not barred according to nationality, only residency. It's like your shop analogy being I'm not going to sell to anyone from Gasworks Alley, but I will sell to anyone from Daffodil Close. You are not discriminating on grounds of race, sexuality, gender or age, which would be illegal, just on location, which as far as I know isn't! In your example, you haven;t made it clear whether you would include a British citizen living in Germany, a German living in the UK or an American living in Poland, and this is what complicates things!

Similarly a British citizen, or one with dual nationality can purchase the pass if they reside outside the UK.
 

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No, because the site is not barred according to nationality, only residency. It's like your shop analogy being I'm not going to sell to anyone from Gasworks Alley, but I will sell to anyone from Daffodil Close. You are not discriminating on grounds of race, sexuality, gender or age, which would be illegal, just on location, which as far as I know isn't! In your example, you haven;t made it clear whether you would include a British citizen living in Germany, a German living in the UK or an American living in Poland, and this is what complicates things!

Similarly a British citizen, or one with dual nationality can purchase the pass if they reside outside the UK.
:) which is precicesly what i was trying to do at the very start of all this- from Dublin-not in the UK but the Republic of Ireland but.... all attempts from there got the same treatment as attempts from the UK! And that, surely, IS discrimination-and possibly racial discrimination, against Irish Citizens!
Maybe a good case for the EC to investigate?
 

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Go ahead, if that's really what you believe. The sensible option would just be to pick up the phone, give the people a call to buy the ticket you want and stop wasting your life.
 

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:) which is precicesly what i was trying to do at the very start of all this- from Dublin-not in the UK but the Republic of Ireland but.... all attempts from there got the same treatment as attempts from the UK! And that, surely, IS discrimination-and possibly racial discrimination, against Irish Citizens!
Maybe a good case for the EC to investigate?

Is your server based in ireland? If so, is there anything to make the site think that it isn't? I'm no technical expert, but from what others have said it's possible to physically be in one place, while the IT kit thinks you are somewhere completely different!
 

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Is your server based in ireland? If so, is there anything to make the site think that it isn't? I'm no technical expert, but from what others have said it's possible to physically be in one place, while the IT kit thinks you are somewhere completely different!

yea...de site in question was in Dublin. (i.e) which is why i was trying to establish if the Irish were excluded although BRITRAIL info is adamanant " all non-UK residents". So as far as folk buying BritRail passes are concerned, BritRail is likely shooting its itself in both feet.
 
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No nationality is excluded, it's where you live that matters! Do you have a local station or travel agent that could help?
 
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