Can anyone confirm this routing? Huddersfield to Walkden: valid via Blackburn?

[noblergt]

I am particularly interested in the the following:

Is my amateur analysis correct in that a "Huddersfield to Walkden via Hebden Bridge" ticket is valid all the way out to Blackburn? (The CDR in particular, but I don't think it matters...) Is this likely to have issues of acceptance?


I don't really understand Hebden Bridge's liberal placement of routing points.

 

[soil]

Huddersfield - Walkden is associated with
Bolton, Salford Crescent and Wigan Group

The single fares for Huddersfield - Walkden are:
SDS Any Permitted £11.80
SDS Via Hebden Bridge £11.60

Huddersfield - Bolton is £15 SDS, and so Bolton is not a valid routeing point
Huddersfield - Salford Crescent fares are the same as Walkden, so Salford Crescent is a valid routeing point.
Huddersfield - Wigan Stations single fares are £27.50, £25.40 and £17.10, so Wigan is not a valid routeing point.

Huddersfield - Salford Crescent is mapped:

MR

This permits

Huddersfield - Stalybridge - Manchester (Piccadilly or Victoria) - Salford Crescent - Walkden (these are both also permitted under the shortest route rule)

only

However the ticket is routed 'via Hebden Bridge'. So you must travel via Hebden Bridge, and as this is not on a permitted route, the permitted route is:

Huddersfield - Hebden Bridge
Hebden Bridge - Walkden

The route Huddersfield - Hebden Bridge - Rochdale - Manchester Victoria - Walkden is the shortest route and is permitted.

Huddersfield - Hebden Bridge SDS is £5.60 Any Permitted

Routeing points are:
Accrington
Halifax Group
Manchester Group

Huddersfield - Accrington is £20+ - fails fares check
Huddersfield - Halifax is £3.80 - passes fares check
Huddersfield - Manchester is £11.80 - fails fares check

So only Halifax Group passes.

Hence:

Huddersfield - Hebden Bridge direct, or via Halifax, are both permitted

From Hebden Bridge to Walkden

£10.20 SDS Any Permitted
Manchester - Walkden obviously passes
Halifax Group - fails
Accrington - passes

and then:
Hebden Bridge - Bolton - fails
Hebden Bridge - Salford Crescent - passes
Hebden Bridge - Wigan Stations - fails

So the mapped routes are:

Manchester - Salford Crescent (direct only route)
Accrington - Salford Crescent - Accrington - Blackburn - Bolton - Salford Crescent is the only permitted route

So the full list of permitted routes for this ticket are:

Huddersfield - Halifax/Sowerby Bridge - Hebden Bridge
then
Hebden Bridge - Manchester Victoria - Walkden
or
Hebden Bridge - Blackburn - Bolton - Salford Crescent - Walkden


So yes, it is valid via Blackburn. Confirmed by NRE:

http://ojp.nationalrail.co.uk/service/timesandfares/HUD/WKD/211013/1515/dep?via=Darwen

 

[TOCDriver]

I think that post kinda puts how ridiculous the British Railway ticketing system is. Excellent post though

 

[soil]

Well it is a bit silly.

But it's at least partly avoidable silliness tbh.

In nearly all cases 'Via Hebden Bridge' could be changed to 'Via Todmorden', which is far less likely to allow for ambiguities. (The exceptions, such as Burnley - Halifax, currently routed 'Via Hebden Bridge' would be routed 'Any Permitted', since the only permitted route is via Hebden Bridge anyway.) Todmorden, at least for now, has no trains towards Blackburn.

 

[Sapphire Blue]

Huddersfield - Hebden Bridge direct, or via Halifax, are both permitted





http://ojp.nationalrail.co.uk/service/timesandfares/HUD/WKD/211013/1515/dep?via=Darwen

. . there are no trains direct between Hudds. and Hebden Br. Does that mean Huddersfield group stations (whatever that is )

 

[soil]

. . there are no trains direct between Hudds. and Hebden Br. Does that mean Huddersfield group stations (whatever that is )

Direct does not mean non-stop, but by the most direct route, which is through Brighouse and Sowerby Bridge, and not passing Halifax.

 

[bb21]

Does "direct" mean "shortest"?

(I don't know the answer btw.)

 

[maniacmartin]

Direct is a word with many meanings. I'm undecided as to whether it means "Through train" or "Shortest route".
I believe there are some flows with Route: DIRECT tickets available that don't even have through trains...

 

[Eagle]

Direct is a word with many meanings. I'm undecided as to whether it means "Through train" or "Shortest route".
I believe there are some flows with Route: DIRECT tickets available that don't even have through trains...

Clearly it means that it's only usable on trains operated by Direct Rail Services :P