Chat Moss on the Liverpool Manchester Railway

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What speed is allowed for the descent to Glasgow Queeen Street?
Believe it's 30 mph approaching the Queen Street High Level tunnel, then 20 mph through the tunnel and 15 mph coming into the platforms.
 
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Prior to the route upgrade (2008) we did it in 35 minutes, Liverpool-Man Vic, albeit empty and at midnight.

One would assume nowadays we'd be looking at 27 minutes or less to do the 34 miles with all the money spent. Much of the time lost seems to be at the ends, messing around on approach to Liverpool Lime Street and Manchester Victoria, just so the trains arrive in the right order, or so (some) signallers can stack them all up on one platform.
 

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I’ve definitely been on trains which have managed 28 minutes in service with one stop. I used to travel quite frequently between the north east and Liverpool and we’d very often arrive up to six minutes early into Liverpool.
 

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I’ve definitely been on trains which have managed 28 minutes in service with one stop. I used to travel quite frequently between the north east and Liverpool and we’d very often arrive up to six minutes early into Liverpool.
In theory that's the more or less "clean" running time. Of course that assumes a perfect run, hence why you have 2 minutes of engineering allowance in every run.
 

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Ah, but the law says everything including passing spacecraft must stop at short-platformed Newton, Lea Green and Wavertree Theme Park as railway managers live there. So 47 minutes at best. ;)
Doubtful that railway managers live in any of the locations that you mention.
 

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Plenty of other examples, Stilton Fen and Embleton's Bog (Northumberland) on the ECML both have speed restrictions.

At Plas y Nant halt on the Welsh Highland (between Waunfawr and Rhyd Ddu), a modern Stephensonian solution was considered - small polystyrene balls packed in sacks. Apparently popular in the road building sector. But tipping lots of ballast won the day.

The dip through the halt is very obvious from the adjacent road, and passing trains still create a hubble bubble experience, but nowhere near as pronounced as on re-opening in 2003.
 

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Prior to the route upgrade (2008) we did it in 35 minutes, Liverpool-Man Vic, albeit empty and at midnight.
I remember my grandfather telling me that the LNWR used to advertise "Manchester to Liverpool - 40 miles, 40 minutes" but I don't know how frequently this ran and the conditions were very different.
 

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I remember my grandfather telling me that the LNWR used to advertise "Manchester to Liverpool - 40 miles, 40 minutes" but I don't know how frequently this ran and the conditions were very different.
None of the main routes was as long as 40 miles.
It's 32 miles via Chat Moss (LNWR), 35 via Warrington Central (CLC) and 36 via "Wigan" (L&Y, Pemberton cut off).
Modern routes are a bit different with the closure of Central/Exchange stations at both ends, and the use of the Castlefield corridor and Allerton links.
Some slower through trains also used to run on longer minor routes via Lymm, Leigh and St Helens, but those were never competitive and are now closed.
 
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Plenty of other examples, Stilton Fen and Embleton's Bog (Northumberland) on the ECML both have speed restrictions.

At Plas y Nant halt on the Welsh Highland (between Waunfawr and Rhyd Ddu), a modern Stephensonian solution was considered - small polystyrene balls packed in sacks. Apparently popular in the road building sector. But tipping lots of ballast won the day.

The dip through the halt is very obvious from the adjacent road, and passing trains still create a hubble bubble experience, but nowhere near as pronounced as on re-opening in 2003.
Stilton Fen and Embleton's Bog both seem to involve reductions to 100, which is rather better than the 75 of Chat Moss (assuming that the 60 of Astley is indeed down to signalling rather than condition of the formation). Wasn't the polystyrene solution used for the new curve at Nuneaton down from the Midland line to the LNW station some 20 years ago? I seem to recall reading that that had to be done because of the state of the ground there.
 

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Doubtful that railway managers live in any of the locations that you mention.
Must have hallucinated all their passes I've seen.. especially Newton & LG, anyway CB I see you're still as cheerful as you were on the Merseyside bus forum :lol:
 
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