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Derby - Birmingham 125mph Upgrade Justification

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Water Orton to Derby seems to be one of the few (or possibly the only?) bits of 125mph line that is not on a 'main line' to London. IAUI this was after upgrade work in the early 2000s? Considering the limited journey time benefits of 125mph vs 100mph, frequent long dwell times in the XC timetables for their long distance trains at Birmingham/Derby, and that there's currently only 2tph using the line (did it used to be 4tph?) , I was wondering if anyone has a better understanding of how much work was required for the 125mph upgrade and how it was justified?
 
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Water Orton to Derby seems to be one of the few (or possibly the only?) bits of 125mph line that is not on a 'main line' to London. IAUI this was after upgrade work in the early 2000s? Considering the limited journey time benefits of 125mph vs 100mph, frequent long dwell times in the XC timetables for their long distance trains at Birmingham/Derby, and that there's currently only 2tph using the line (did it used to be 4tph?) , I was wondering if anyone has a better understanding of how much work was required for the 125mph upgrade and how it was justified?

It was part of the cross country upgrade in the early 2000s. It was relatively straightforward - pretty straight so no major realignment reqd and signal sighting good, no electrification to worry about, not many LX (a few footbridges replaced public footpaths) so it was pretty much a Civils exercise. Quite a bit of track needed renewing anyway IIRC. Therefore relatively cheap to do. Saved 3 minutes for trains not stopping at Tamworth and Burton (which many of them did, back then).

The long dwell at Derby is a function of linking the path from Birmingham with that on the MML, and I’m fairly sure didn’t exist back then. The longer dwell at New St isn’t an issue, as the majority of passengers are on/off there anyway. AIUI Birmingham - Derby is just about XCs highest value (revenue) section of line, and therefore all the revenue benefit of the journey time improvement comes to them and is worth a fair bit.

I don’t think there’s ever been more than 2tph using it at 125 (Each way).
 

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If my knowledge serves me well I believe that Derby to Chesterfield was upgraded from 90mph to 110mph as part of the same project. I find it irritating that the linespeed through Burton-on-Trent wasn't increased at the same time, maybe not quite 125mph as per the rest of the line, but something much higher than 50mph. Is this restriction in place due to signal spacing in the area not supporting higher linspeeds?

It's a shame that other parts of the CrossCountry network didn't receive the same treatment, Bristol to Birmingham being an obvious candidate, but that would have been a much more difficult job given the number of foot/level crossings on the route, as well as the random kinks on an otherwise straight route. Another irritation is the three-aspect signalling; Really there ought to be four-aspect, with new signals placed in-between the middle of the existing block sections. If a Cardiff to Nottingham train gets delayed and leaves Birmingham New Street after xx:49, it doesn't' take long for the following xx:03 train towards Edinburgh to catch up to it and be chasing single yellows over 1.5 mile long block sections, especially if the Nottingham train calls at Wilnecote.

Its also worth pointing out that the line uses HST differentials for linspeeds above 90mph, covering every class of passenger train using the route, but not including non-HST trains to go beyond 90mph would have saved some money, presumably so that the signal spacing wouldn't have needed to have been changed.

I don't intend to come across as bashing the upgrade, however, were another upgrade to happen, perhaps as part of electrification once the MML is electrified, there are a number of ways in which the route could be improved, including remodelling junctions, especially the Kingsbury area in which trains coming out of the oil depot have to reverse onto the mainline to head north.
 

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The upgrade happened around the time of Virgin's Operation Princess difficulties, and the estimable Virgin MD Chris Green uttered the words "We'll use the time gained to improve XC timekeeping rather than shortening journey times". (or something similar).
I don't think you spend upgrade money without bankable benefits.
DfT is of course now wrestling with whether/how to build a new HSL line near this route to improve Birmingham-Leeds journey times.

The XC upgrade project, linked with others, increased line speeds on all its routes from Birmingham, though mostly not to 125mph.
90-125mph between Bushbury and Stafford was also part of it (electric trains had to wait several more years until the OHLE was upgraded for WCRM).
 

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The upgrade happened around the time of Virgin's Operation Princess difficulties, and the estimable Virgin MD Chris Green uttered the words "We'll use the time gained to improve XC timekeeping rather than shortening journey times". (or something similar).
I don't think you spend upgrade money without bankable benefits.
DfT is of course now wrestling with whether/how to build a new HSL line near this route to improve Birmingham-Leeds journey times.

The XC upgrade project, linked with others, increased line speeds on all its routes from Birmingham, though mostly not to 125mph.
90-125mph between Bushbury and Stafford was also part of it (electric trains had to wait several more years until the OHLE was upgraded for WCRM).
Later iterations of the Operation Princess XC draft timetable had Birmingham to Leeds in 1 hour 50 minutes — interstingly, Birmingham-Sheffield was proposed as 70 minutes with stops at Derby and Chesterfield, whereas the Darlington terminators (via Doncaster) were planned for only 60 minutes Birmingham-Sheffield calling at Derby only.

When Operation Princess was being planned there were no improvement schemes in the pipeline for cross-country routes. The Track Access Agreement was signed in 2000 and after this there was planning that resulted in a £200 million package on three of the four "legs" out of Birmingham for completion by the May 2003 timetable — the missing leg being the Bristol line, left out princiaplly because Railtrack didn't know enough about the state of its infrastructure but with aspirations for some better speeds by 2004. The Oxford leg was to see no changes Didcot to Wolvercote Jn and Aynho Jn to Leamington, but HST higher speeds and provision for tilt with EPS between Wolvercote and Aynho (which was done). I don't think any of the proposed higher speeds north of Leamington were delivered. The Potteries leg saw 125 introduced between Wolverhampton and Stafford, but a very small speed-uplift from 75 to 80 from Norton Bridge to Stone wasn't done. And the Sheffield leg did best of all, with Water Orton to Derby going to 125 and significant speed improvements between Derby and Sheffield (but I don't think the planned increase between Proof House and Water Orton happened).

And then of course Railtrack encountered "problems", Operation Princess itself did not bed down as smoothly as had been hoped and there had to be major changes to the offering, and the whole system of dealing with improvements to the infrastructure envisaged in the original franchising arrrangements was ditched.
 

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Later iterations of the Operation Princess XC draft timetable had Birmingham to Leeds in 1 hour 50 minutes — interstingly, Birmingham-Sheffield was proposed as 70 minutes with stops at Derby and Chesterfield, whereas the Darlington terminators (via Doncaster) were planned for only 60 minutes Birmingham-Sheffield calling at Derby only.
This working does the Sheffield to Birmingham leg in 64 minutes with a two minute stop at Derby, and that's including a 5 minute pathing allowance from Tamworth. https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:C71315/2023-04-21/detailed#allox_id=0

I do think that Birmingham to Leeds in 1 hour 50 minutes would be perfectly possible without any pathing allowances - This one did it in 1 hour 53 minutes. https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:C71498/2023-04-20/detailed#allox_id=0

A quick calculation suggests that if the linespeed were to be 125mph between Stenson Jn and Wichnor Jn, then the time between those two timing points would be just under 6 minutes if a train were to be doing 125mph all the way between the two, given the mileage of 11 miles 46 chains, compared to the current time of 8.5 minutes. Maybe not the greatest time saving, but a considerable saving in diesel consumption given that a train wouldn't have to slow down and re-accelerate up to 125mph.
 

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Before Covid, a number of XC Reading to Newcastle services did Birmingham-Sheffield with 1 stop at Derby in 60 minutes, xx28 ex Birmingham. Southbound nearly all the Newcastle to Reading services did Sheffield to Birmingham in 65 minutes with 1 stop at Derby.
 
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