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East Coast Mainline Disruption (08/05/2022)

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Naylor81

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Does anyone know what’s happening on the East Coast Mainline tonight?

LNER twitter reports cable theft between Doncaster and York but they reported the same thing 24 hours ago so it’s a bit odd.

Friends have been taken off train at Doncaster trying to head north but the station is in chaos with few coaches and not many staff.
 
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Does anyone know what’s happening on the East Coast Mainline tonight?

LNER twitter reports cable theft between Doncaster and York but they reported the same thing 24 hours ago so it’s a bit odd.

Friends have been taken off train at Doncaster trying to head north but the station is in chaos with few coaches and not many staff.
There were 4 separate incidents today on the ECML I'm aware of. In no particular order:

1.Cable theft north of Doncaster, causing signalling issues.

2. A passenger taken ill on the 1300 Edinburgh-King's Cross which caused some delays and led to the service being curtailed at Newcastle.

3. A reported track defect on the northbound line near Northallerton, which closed the northbound line for about 30 mins.

4. Trespassers on the line south of Durham.
 

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Was on 1Y38 earlier and noticed a scruffy blue VW Caddy van driving erratically, and rather bizarrely through the fields just a little way before Joan Croft junction. It was weaving around and relatively close to the lineside.

Probably unrelated. But it does seem to be affecting a large area.
 

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Just got home about half an hour ago having originally intended to get the 2012 Hartlepool service from York, luckily only going to Northallerton. LNER were very good in accepting my Grand Central ticket no questions asked, though I do feel for anyone headed for Hartlepool or Thirsk given that GC had not announced what their contingency was on their Twitter feed by the time it closed for replies. Seemed to be the cable theft affecting me.
 

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I saw on Twitter a couple of comments about Grantham being evacuated too?
 
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Was on 1Y38 earlier and noticed a scruffy blue VW Caddy van driving erratically, and rather bizarrely through the fields just a little way before Joan Croft junction. It was weaving around and relatively close to the lineside.

Probably unrelated. But it does seem to be affecting a large area.

That might actually be worth reporting to the BTP you know. It happened last night too at Arksey.
 

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I saw on Twitter a couple of comments about Grantham being evacuated too?
Fire alarm went off so evacuated.

There were 4 separate incidents today on the ECML I'm aware of. In no particular order:

1.Cable theft north of Doncaster, causing signalling issues.

2. A passenger taken ill on the 1300 Edinburgh-King's Cross which caused some delays and led to the service being curtailed at Newcastle.

3. A reported track defect on the northbound line near Northallerton, which closed the northbound line for about 30 mins.

4. Trespassers on the line south of Durham.
Was a ADD On 1S14 so until overhead team examined lines it was 20mph on the down main near Cowton crossovers
 

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When a cable theft takes place can the signal box's see within a reasonable distance where the theft is taking place rather ,'than between Doncaster and York'?
Secondly, in theft high risk area's, could some sort of tracking cable be added to the bundle?
 

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When a cable theft takes place can the signal box's see within a reasonable distance where the theft is taking place rather ,'than between Doncaster and York'?
Secondly, in theft high risk area's, could some sort of tracking cable be added to the bundle?

You can tell pretty well by what track circuits, signals, or sometimes points fail, but depending on location it can sometimes still leave a few miles to check by staff on the ground to find where exactly the cable's been cut. That said it took very little time to discover it there last night.

I'm not sure what you mean by tracking cable?

Sadly it seems cable theft's becoming a daily occurrence again, like it was around 2010/11.
 

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You can tell pretty well by what track circuits, signals, or sometimes points fail, but depending on location it can sometimes still leave a few miles to check by staff on the ground to find where exactly the cable's been cut. That said it took very little time to discover it there last night.

I'm not sure what you mean by tracking cable?

Sadly it seems cable theft's becoming a daily occurrence again, like it was around 2010/11.
Are some or all cables marked with a UV watermark or similar to try and reduce theft for sale to scrap dealers?

EDIT: Answered by the simultaneous below: Yes, they use smartwater.
 

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When a cable theft takes place can the signal box's see within a reasonable distance where the theft is taking place rather ,'than between Doncaster and York'?
The signal box will know where they've lost control of the various systems but that can still be a considerable distance that requires checking to find the issue. Plus they won't necessarily immediately know that the problem is someone has stolen the cable rather than it being some other fault.

Secondly, in theft high risk area's, could some sort of tracking cable be added to the bundle?
They use SmartWater, at least in some areas:

In 2009, cable thefts were estimated to be costing Network Rail and UK taxpayers up to £16m a year, causing significant delays and disruptions to the network. The London to North West (LNW) mainline was being particularly badly hit by cable thieves, resulting in delay minutes totalling 119,540.

Despite being highly skilled at building and maintaining railways, there was an acceptance within Network Rail that the knowledge required to successfully influence criminal activity on the railway fell outside of their skillset. Invaluable assistance was, and continues to be, provided by British Transport Police (BTP), but a lack of traceable evidence (the means to link cable thieves to the crime) often made it difficult for the police to prosecute offenders. Criminals quickly became all too aware of this, which perpetuated the problem.

SmartWater Technology was initially contracted as a specialist partner to tackle cable theft on the LNW mainline and tasked with increasing the traceability of Network Rail’s cable infrastructure in order to deter thefts. Achieving this would not only drive down delay minutes for Network Rail, it would also maximise opportunities for BTP to prosecute offenders by heightening accountability.

SmartWater devised a holistic asset management and security strategy in close collaboration with both Network Rail and BTP. The first step of this strategy involved analysing Network Rail’s route crime data using SmartWater intelligence analysts to identify hotspots, crime trends and emerging threats across the LNW line. Threat assessments were then carried out by SmartWater Investigators to identify specific vulnerabilities. Not only did this identify cable and other assets at risk of theft, they also provided intelligence on damage to perimeter fencing and access routes used by thieves, trespassers and vandals to infiltrate the railway.

Activity carried out on the rail network included:

  • The use of SmartWater covert cameras at access points to identify thieves and trespassers.
  • Deployment of SmartWater traceable liquids to mark cable at high-risk locations, making it identifiable if stolen.
  • Regular scrap yard visits to search for SmartWater-marked metals and influence the buying behaviour of scrap dealers.
  • Equipping police stations with SmartWater detection equipment and providing training on recovery procedures.
  • Localised advertising (leaflet drops) and media campaigns to heighten awareness.
The following video is of a BBC news broadcast relating to a successful SmartWater Technology operation which resulted in the imprisonment of a gang of thieves that targeted the railway network in the Midlands:

Over the 8-year period, LNW saw:

  • 89.4% reduction in incidents of live cable theft.
  • 78.9% reduction in delay minutes
  • 170+ Arrests made or positive interventions of cable thieves or trespassers
As a result, SmartWater Technology’s team of talented risk managers were presented with a national award by the Rail Industry in recognition of their successful campaign.

I believe the licensing requirements for scrap metal dealers are much more thorough these days as well and if you can't show that you've got the right licences and the person you got that random load of copper wire also had the right licences, in case the BTP or similar come calling, then you can get in all sorts of trouble. Used to be something of a free for all I think but now it's much easier to get scrappies in trouble for handling stolen cable these days than it was a decade or so ago.
 

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Are some or all cables marked with a UV watermark or similar to try and reduce theft for sale to scrap dealers?

EDIT: Answered by the simultaneous below: Yes, they use smartwater.

Yeah, there's a few other things used too that will act as a reasonable unique identifier. People have been found hoarding tonnes of cable while they're either trying to find a buyer, or else building up a container load to send abroad, which I reckon's probably the most common way of selling it these days. It's not just the railways affected either, BT are having significant problems with phone and broadband cables being stolen.
 
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