Extensions to Arriva Trains Wales (Manchester to Llandudno) services

[CMS]

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse...2009/37th sa form 22 (manchester airport).pdf

The above document spells out an application form by ATW to extend 3 services each way, each day from Manchester Piccadilly non-stop to Manchester Airport. What will FTPE say? I'm sure these services won't jeopardise their timetables.

 

[krus_aragon]

It looks like Arriva are taking baby steps here. The draft agreement itself (link) shows two weekday trains to the airport (one on Saturday), and three back (two Sat.) in the main portion, and eight daily "additional" services. That's just under half the 20 trains to Piccadilly (21 back) that they run now.

 

[robert2000]

arriva need to replace all their old stock, get a few old voyagers from xc or vt for their overcrowded marches line.
move the class 158 to the heart of wales.

 

[MCR247]

And what would XC use on their overcrowded CrossCountry services, most of which are longer than the marches?

 

[tbtc]

Good to see ATW taking a sensible approach to the extension, rather than the "big bang" some TOCs try.

The only criticism I have is that a third TOC running between Manchester Airport and Picadilly means there's less justification for TPE running the Blackpool/ Barrow/ Scotland services, but that's another story for another thread...

arriva need to replace all their old stock, get a few old voyagers from xc or vt

OLD Voyagers?

 

[TDK]

arriva need to replace all their old stock, get a few old voyagers from xc or vt for their overcrowded marches line.
move the class 158 to the heart of wales.

158's are not permitted on the HOW line as passenger trains and why, have a 90mph train on the HOW when the maximum speed is 60.Of course VT and AXC have plenty of spare voyagers,I don't think so, not a really good idea of yours