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Fantasy: Cromer to Sheringham. Should the North Norfolk completely take this section of NR over?
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A preserved railway providing a service on a cold winter weekday isn't going to happen.
And there are severe restrictions on the use of the level crossing at Sheringham that mean that it can only be used for special workings not a timetabled service.
As blasphemous as this sounds, my initial thoughts were for a bus service would be in place of the train service for regular commuters but I stand corrected. I just hate services that back up on themselves.
Falcon1200
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And the transfer between train and bus at Cromer would be far more time-consuming and annoying than the reversal !
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I very much doubt the NNR has any appetite for providing this service, its focus is between Sheringham and Holt only using preserved rolling stock. To modernise and provide a normal leisure/commuter service between Cromer and Sheringham is well outside of its commercial aims.
How would it be staffed? Are we expecting volunteers to provide the service? Who’s going to man it on the cold winter days, as above?
It’s a non starter, I’m afraid.
How would it be staffed? Are we expecting volunteers to provide the service? Who’s going to man it on the cold winter days, as above?
It’s a non starter, I’m afraid.
py_megapixel
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What do you mean by that?
No. The service from Norwich to Sheringham is well used and provides a link to the town from the national network (one that I use reasonably often).
Incidentally, on one occasion my train was cancelled at Cromer and I ended up getting the bus for the rest of the journey. It wasn't too bad, but was a bit of a traipse down to the bus stop in Cromer.
Incidentally, on one occasion my train was cancelled at Cromer and I ended up getting the bus for the rest of the journey. It wasn't too bad, but was a bit of a traipse down to the bus stop in Cromer.
I presume for some reason the fact the Norwich - Sheringham stops and reverses at Cromer is for some reason an issue to OP.
I'm always surprised how many people do use that little stretch throughout the day, even at silly times of day. Its always a pity that the cancellation of the service between Cromer and Sheringham is such an effective way of dealing with serious delays on the branch.
To be fair, Sheringham is a gorgeous little town, so it's popularity doesn't surprise me !
That line of thinking makes about as much sense as suggesting we should close Bradford Interchange and only run buses between Halifax and Leeds simply because trains reverse there! I've seen some unusual ideas on this forum, but this one....
If you wanted to eliminate the double back why not close the link into Cromer and reopen the 3rd side of the triangle to Sheringham so that you aren't cutting those towns off the network (and maintaining the NNR's connection while you're at it). Cromer would still have Roughton Road, at least (poor substitute that it would be for the station proper)
Either way, changing anything on the network is so expensive that it will not happen on this line as the benefit would be so small in comparison to the effort needed.
Either way, changing anything on the network is so expensive that it will not happen on this line as the benefit would be so small in comparison to the effort needed.
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@Almyle503 - I hope that the comments above make sense, I think the general consensus is that your proposal would be extremely unlikely to ever happen (≈0 chance). It’d be interesting to hear your thoughts and to hear further elaboration on your argument for the proposal, and perhaps where your inspiration for this idea came from? 
pdeaves
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Perhaps a cheap(er) solution to the original poster's apparent issue is to turf everyone off the train at Cromer onto a separate one, just to avoid reversing in service. Yes, I know, that's equally unlikely to happen (and for good reason)!
306024
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Well there’s ‘Speculative Discussion’, and then there’s this suggestion which belongs in a category of its own 
I was on a Northern train yesterday (one of the new ones) from Halifax to Leeds when the auto PA said exactly that - After Halifax next stop New Pudsey. Confused a few until we actually arrived at Bradford Interchange.
I was on a Northern train yesterday (one of the new ones) from Halifax to Leeds when the auto PA said exactly that - After Halifax next stop New Pudsey. Confused a few until we actually arrived at Bradford Interchange.
Which service was that, out of interest?Well there’s ‘Speculative Discussion’, and then there’s this suggestion which belongs in a category of its own
I was on a Northern train yesterday (one of the new ones) from Halifax to Leeds when the auto PA said exactly that - After Halifax next stop New Pudsey. Confused a few until we actually arrived at Bradford Interchange.
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At the risk of moving the thread up north, 1B34 15.22 Blackpool North to York, 195 124 according to RTT:
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:G33599/2022-03-26/detailed#allox_id=0
@Almyle503 - I hope that the comments above make sense, I think the general consensus is that your proposal would be extremely unlikely to ever happen (≈0 chance). It’d be interesting to hear your thoughts and to hear further elaboration on your argument for the proposal, and perhaps where your inspiration for this idea came from?
Interesting, or amusing ?
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Trainfan344
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Reopen the Cromer curve, double track the line from Cromer to Norwich.
1tph Norwich to Sheringham Fast;
Norwich, Wroxham, North Walsham and Sheringham only
1tph Norwich to Sheringham slow and via Cromer.
1tph Norwich to Sheringham Fast;
Norwich, Wroxham, North Walsham and Sheringham only
1tph Norwich to Sheringham slow and via Cromer.
Probably the latter for most people. It's honestly just a fantasy but I was already aware of the level crossing issue and that this would probably never happen because Cromer can't really facilitate old locomotives but it was just a what if moment in my head and I was curious about what else other people would have to say.
More fantasy.
The removed third side of the triangle included a big viaduct. I don't even know if it is still there.
The method of operation at Cromer was introduced more than 50 years ago and helped to save the line from closure. It has since been replicated elsewhere, for example Wick/Thurso and Glossop/Hadfield. It isn't broken and doesn't need fixing.
dk1
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There’s more chance of HS2 coming to Norwich lol.
It is very well used indeed throughout the year.
The viaduct is there but a decent amount of the trackbed has been encroached by neighbours. No buildings but gardens and static caravans.
It was still there last time I went past, though I don't see that this proposal would be an improvement.
While we're at it reopen the line to Walsham via Mundesley and then onto Yarmouth.
Great idea, seeing that this part of the coast is eroding away!While we're at it reopen the line to Walsham via Mundesley and then onto Yarmouth.
Trainfan344
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While we're at it reopen the line to Walsham via Mundesley and then onto Yarmouth.
Well it's still more realistic than NNR Running Cromer to Sheringham everyday
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I don’t see the problem with reversing at Cromer. The EMR Liverpool to Norwich services reverse twice, at Sheffield and Ely.
Among many other such reversals en route. There's not problem at all with doing so, Cromer is hardly stretched for capacity.
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