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Fare Type Acronyms

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PhilipW

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The acronyms for the various fare types (e.g. SSR, SOR, SVR, SVS, etc) are used frequently in these threads.

Although I understand many of them I am not familiar with all of them. Could I ask if someone could publish a list of them all and define how they relate to the current ticket types ("Anytime", "Off Peak", "Super Off Peak").

I would certainly appreciate it and I suspect that they may be many more readers who would too.

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The acronyms for the various fare types (e.g. SSR, SOR, SVR, SVS, etc) are used frequently in these threads.

Although I understand many of them I am not familiar with all of them. Could I ask if someone could publish a list of them all and define how they relate to the current ticket types ("Anytime", "Off Peak", "Super Off Peak").

I would certainly appreciate it and I suspect that they may be many more readers who would too.

Generally (but not always) the following acronyms translate into their ticket types as follows:

Standard Class
7DS= 7 Day Season
7TS= 7 Day Travelcard
SOR/GOR= Anytime Return
SOS= Anytime Single
SDR/GPR= Anytime Day Return
SDS= Anytime Day Single
ADT= Anytime Day Travelcard
SVR/BVR= Off Peak Return
SVS/BVS= Off Peak Single
CDR/1DR/1DT= Off Peak Day Return
CDS/SVH= Off Peak Day Single
ODT= Off Peak Day Travelcard
FTC= Family Travelcard
SSR/OPR/SOP= Super Off Peak Return
SSS/OPS= Super Off Peak Single
OPD/GDS/PDS/SWS= Super Off Peak Day Single
SCO/PDR/C1R/CBA/GDR/SRR= Super Off Peak Day Return
STO/WRE/WDT= Super Off Peak Day Travelcard

First Class
7DS= 7 Day Season
7TS= 7 Day Travelcard
FOR/GFR= First Anytime Return
FOS/GFS= First Anytime Single
FDR= First Anytime Day Return
FDS= First Anytime Day Single
FDT= First Anytime Day Travelcard
FSR/BFR/SFR= First Off Peak Return
FSS/BFS= First Off Peak Single
FCD/FCR/GE1= First Off Peak Day Return
OTF= First Off Peak Day Travelcard
FSO= First Super Off Peak Day Return

The above is of course not an exhaustive list but does includes all the principal walk-up ticket types.
 
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The acronyms usually relate to the name of the ticket before simplification.

I've listed the common ones below with their pre-simplification and post-simplification names:

CDS - Cheap Day Single -> Off Peak Day Single
CDR - Cheap Day Return -> Off Peak Day Return

SDS - Standard Day Single -> Anytime Day Single
SDR - Standard Day Return -> Anytime Day Return

SVS - Saver Single -> Off Peak Single
SVR - Saver Return -> Off Peak Return
SVH - Saver Half -> Off Peak Single (half price of SVR)

SOS - Standard Open Single -> Anytime Single
SOR - Standard Open Return -> Anytime Return

FDS - First Day Single -> Anytime Day First Single
FDR - First Day Return -> Anytime Day First Return

FOS - First Open Single -> Anytime First Single
FOR - First Open Return -> Anytime First Return

SSS - SuperSaver Single -> Super Off Peak Single
SSR - SuperSaver Return -> Super Off Peak Return

OPD - [non-existant] -> Super Off Peak Day Single
SCO - [non-existant] -> Super Off Peak Day Return

FDT - First Day Travelcard -> Anytime Day First Travelcard
ADT - Peak Day Travelcard -> Anytime Day Travelcard
ODT - Off Peak Day Travelcard -> Off Peak Day Travelcard
STO - [non existant] -> Super Off Peak Day Travelcard

There's the most common ones anyways - I'm sure I may have missed a couple or even got some of the old names wrong :oops: especially in the case of Super Off Peak as these are, compared to the rest, a relatively new addition.
 

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SVH - Saver Half -> Off Peak Single (half price of SVR)

There's the most common ones anyways - I'm sure I may have missed a couple or even got some of the old names wrong :oops: especially in the case of Super Off Peak as these are, compared to the rest, a relatively new addition.

The only mistake I can see in the list you posted was the Saver Half.

In the FRPP this is classed within the Off Peak Day category of tickets as opposed to the Off Peak category.
 

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The only mistake I can see in the list you posted was the Saver Half.

In the FRPP this is classed within the Off Peak Day category of tickets as opposed to the Off Peak category.

Ah ha - I saw that discrepancy too but Avantix has it as 'SVH - OFF-PEAK S'. On further inspection by looking at CDS/CDR on there it has CDS grouped with SVH as 'Off Peak Day' so Avantix is disagreeing with itself!

Besides, with single tickets valid only on the date shown on them I have no reason whatsoever why SVS and maybe SVH are 'Off Peak' rather than 'Off Peak Day' anyway :?. Apart from restriction codes relating to each flow is there actually any difference between the nomenclature for such tickets?

EDIT: Realised the answer - only thing I can see is to do with the restrictions regarding overnight/next day:
Off Peak Day: 'If it is not possible to complete the journey before this time, travel is allowed until 1200 the day after travel - but no further break of journey is allowed'.
Off Peak: 'Where a journey can't be completed within one day, break of journey for an overnight stay is allowed. Where a journey continues into the next day, travel must resume before 1200 and any relevant time restrictions apply. No further break of journey is allowed except for the purposes of changing trains'.

Is this the only difference?
 
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What really matters, is not the name of the ticket (unless you work for Passenger Focus and are easily fooled ;)) but the conditions. Passenger Farce, err, Focus, insisted that the names were "simplified", however the names are in many ways more complex (such as Off Peak Singles which cannot be bought singly), Passenger Focus did nothing to get the TOCs to simplify the names of the tickets. Until this toothless organisation is replaced or overhauled, and/or the DfT stop being anti-rail, things will continue to get more complex.

You have the old Saver tickets now called Off Peak but they have traditionally been valid on any scheduled train for non-London area journeys and on the ECML that is still the case, and on the same route you can have a ticket that ATOC claim is the same "type" (they only admit to there being "three types" - Anytime, Off Peak and Advance), yet it is valid after something like 9:30am just because it is suffixed with the word "Day". How on earth does that make sense? Two tickets of the same claimed "type" both claiming to be off peak, but one is valid at peak time and the other isn't?

The "Off Peak" is usually less restrictive than the "Off Peak Day", but sometimes the reverse is the case. Again, ATOC don't admit that these are seperate "types" of ticket! Some Off Peak Day tickets count the evening peak as peak time, and bar the use of these tickets at certain times in the evening but generally most tickets do not restrict in the evening. One company that recently implemented this claimed that it is to be "in line" with other train companies, despite no other companies on their route doing this!

The conditions are set by the TOC that sets the fare, and on a route such as the ECML you have a situation where slight variations in origin/destination mean a different TOC sets the fare, so completely different restrictions apply. e.g. Darlo-Wakefield is NXEC, so to travel at 8am will cost you £36.90 for a SVR, but Darlo-Leeds is TPE so to arrive in Leeds before 0930 will cost you £40.10 (yes, more than to Wakefield on the same train!) but even cheaper is Darlo to South Milford which is valid via Leeds at only £24.70 and valid on any scheduled train. Darlo to Sheffield and Dronfield are both £39.90 at any time as NXEC set the fare, but go less than 5 and a half miles beyond Dronfield to Chesterfield and CrossCountry will try to defraud you by charging you a whopping £79.00 as they deem the £43.70 SVR to not be valid until 0930 from Darlo! So that's £35.30 that CrossCountry are defrauding customers on that route, yet you could simply get a Dronfield ticket and on board the Northern train hand £1.70 each way or £2.90 to the conductor to extend your journey to Chesterfield.

Actually, looking back at Darlo to Wakefield it is even more complicated. Route Leeds SVR is £33.40 but not valid for trains that arrive in Leeds before 0930, the SOR at £41.00 is pointless (other than being able to buy on board) because the SVR via Any Permitted route is only £36.90 and is valid after 0400 which means it is valid on any scheduled train.

Some TOCs (notably Cross Country) are defrauding customers of what must be £millions each year by charging them rates that are considerably higher than the correct fares. By 'correct' fares I mean what the fares should be given the prices charged by reasonable TOCs for the customer occupying the exact same seat on the exact same trains but by asking for a slightly different ticket. It is fraud because Cross Country disguise these products (e.g. "Off Peak") with the same name as a reasonable product priced by NXEC. This product is, however, not the same product at all, despite the name being the same, it is far, far more restrictive and useless for many customers. This forces customers to pay considerably more money than they should have to. The conditions were secretly changed by CrossCountry without the consent of the other party (the customers) and are not advertised except on secret documents ("The manual"/FRPP) or through means which the general public does not easily have access to (Avantix Traveller is not advertised and costs money), also they bar their staff from giving advice to customers on how to avoid the fraudulent "off peak" tickets that are falsely passing themselves off as a ticket that is equal to the tickets with the same name set by other TOCs for the same journey.

So every time you travel you have to undertake research to ensure you are not being unfairly charged by a TOC, and you have to determine whether it is cheaper to buy a ticket to go further or to split the ticket in order to avoid being ripped-off.

Before privisation all these "off peak" tickets (Savers) were valid at any time unless they were for travel into London (and places just outside e.g. Stevenage, Reading etc), so non-London Savers were always unrestricted. They all had the same terms. Now you get companies passing off inferior products as the same great product that we used to have throughout the country, and there is no way to tell by looking at the ticket which is the genuine unrestricted article and which has had unfair restrictions imposed on it by stealth by the likes of CrossCountry and other like-minded anti-customer companies.
 
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