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John Webb

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Unfortunately I can't find my copy of the 'Shire Guide to Christian Names' I got many years ago which might have been of help.

I suspect probably flowers and gemstones have been used for many decades - an aunt born circa 1920 was 'Beryl'. Most likely the Victorian period?
 

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I can't offer any authorative information but my grandmother had the middle name May and was born in 1910.

A quick look on the Internet shows that the name Beryl became popular in the late 19th century. Obviously this isn't a primary source.
 

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Times change. Doubt that there's all that many girls being named Agnes, Edna, Gertrude or Gladys these days.
 

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Gemstone names became popular in the Victorian era I think - names such as Amber, Beryl etc and I think it's fairly similar for "flower" type names (Daisy, Lily, Ivy, etc). There's an extract of most popular names every 10 years for the 1900s from the ONS for England and Wales here: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...senglandandwalestop100babynameshistoricaldata - Beryl is in the top 100 in 1914.

What you could do is use the FreeBMD search facility (https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl) for several of the names you're interested in and see how they changed - it doesn't cover much back beyond 1840, but I think it's likely to cover the period when you're interested in.

eg:
Daisy in 1860 returns only 2 entries for births.
In 1870, 44 and in 1880, 1181. In 1890 there were 3816 Daisys born!

No Beryls recorded in 1860....

Times change. Doubt that there's all that many girls being named Agnes, Edna, Gertrude or Gladys these days.

1 Edna, 1 Gertrude and 21 Agnes in 1992 according to BMD.... (Though, my daughter (born 2010) knows a girl her age who is an Agnes, so it's not dead yet!).
 

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In Britain, when did it first become acceptable to name girls after flowers, months of the year, jewels, etc?
More than a century at least.

My grandparents had siblings called Pansy and Violet.

When I was a child I had a neighbour called June Frost.
 

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Lilias or Lillias seems to have been reasonably popular in my great grandmother’s family, she was born in 1876, her daughter had the same name. There’s a few other names based on Lily or Lilly.
 

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1 Edna, 1 Gertrude and 21 Agnes in 1992 according to BMD.... (Though, my daughter (born 2010) knows a girl her age who is an Agnes, so it's not dead yet!).
I used to work with a girl called Gertrude, but she went by the name 'Trudy'. Think her family were from Europe.
 

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I think these days anything goes.
You're not wrong. Some modern names are more like Scrabble accidents than actual names. As an example "Aeyrial" is the daughter of an acquaintance. No idea where that came from.

There were two girls in my stepdaughter's class at primary school ten years back called "Freedom" and "Destiny". I always joked that they were at philosophical loggerheads but nobody else saw the funny side. Oh well. :E

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You're not wrong. Some modern names are more like Scrabble accidents than actual names. As an example "Aeyrial" is the daughter of an acquaintance. No idea where that came from.

There were two girls in my stepdaughter's class at primary school ten years back called "Freedom" and "Destiny". I always joked that they were at philosophical loggerheads but nobody else saw the funny side. Oh well. :E

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OT but related, searching for 'bogan baby names' may be enlightening.
 

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You're not wrong. Some modern names are more like Scrabble accidents than actual names. As an example "Aeyrial" is the daughter of an acquaintance. No idea where that came from.
Some parents name their children after where they were conceived - perhaps this one was a result of mile-high club membership, but they weren't sure how to spell it. :D
 

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Unfortunately I can't find my copy of the 'Shire Guide to Christian Names' I got many years ago which might have been of help.

I suspect probably flowers and gemstones have been used for many decades - an aunt born circa 1920 was 'Beryl'. Most likely the Victorian period?
My bolding -- could Mr. Tolkien possibly be involved here? If I recall correctly, the majority of female hobbits had "flower" or "jewel" names. Maybe this is a thing which the humans got off them :smile:?
 

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My bolding -- could Mr. Tolkien possibly be involved here? If I recall correctly, the majority of female hobbits had "flower" or "jewel" names. Maybe this is a thing which the humans got off them :smile:?
An amusing thought, but as an avid reader of JRR Tolkien, I think he was reacting to the influences of the late Victorian society in which he grew up. The 'Shire' book company was set up in 1962, the name derived from the fact that their early books were guides to 'Shires' or counties or parts thereof.
 

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I admit to being mildly Tolkien-obsessed; there are a number of "key words" which automatically set me off...
 

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In Britain, when did it first become acceptable to name girls after flowers, months of the year, jewels, etc?
A very quick search finds this:
The name came into popular use in the late Victorian era along with other flower names.
Wikipedia isn't a primary source, so I did a bit more digging...

The name Daisy was also a common legal first name for Victorian girls.

The name Rose was also introduced to England by the Normans in the Middle Ages and translated into Old English as Roese and Rohese.

There is some evidence to suggest that Rose was a Norman variation of the Germanic name Hrodohaidis, which is composed of the word hrod meaning “fame” and heid meaning "type." Put together, that makes "famous type." So, sometimes, the name Rose is interpreted as meaning "famous flower," as well.
 
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My father had an elder sister called Olive, born circa 1910!

It's not quite the same, but "Olivia" has ranked at the top of the list of girls' names since 2016 in England and Wales.

The three most popular baby names for girls in 2023 were Olivia, Amelia and Isla, remaining unchanged since 2022. Olivia has been the top-ranked name for girls since 2016 and has been in the top three every year since 2006.

The top 10 for 2023 were:
Olivia
Amelia
Isla
Lily
Freya
Ava
Ivy
Florence
Willow
Isabella

Poor 'Liv has been knocked off the top spot in Scotland, though:

Isla returned to first place again for the first time since 2021, overtaking Olivia, which has been the most popular name for girls in recent years.

The 2023 top 20 in Scotland:
Isla
Olivia
Freya
Emily
Amelia
Ella
Charlotte
Millie
Grace
Ava
Lily
Aria
Sophie
Orla
Maisie
Sophia
Rosie
Ivy
Evie
Lucy

Presumably the official figures for 2024 haven't been released yet, although a quick Google search suggests that Olivia is still ahead.

Looking at both lists, there aren't many names that would look out of place on the birth register 100 years ago.
 

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Some parents name their children after where they were conceived - perhaps this one was a result of mile-high club membership, but they weren't sure how to spell it. :D
Or they were looking up at their roof and noticed something lashed to a chimney… :D
 

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Some parents name their children after where they were conceived - perhaps this one was a result of mile-high club membership, but they weren't sure how to spell it. :D
In an ex-colleague’s case, her daughter would have been called Kitchen - she used to say that she knew exactly how long the conception had taken because she could see the clock on the microwave.

There’s a Violet in Arthur Conan Doyle’s Holmes story ‘The Solitary Cyclist’ of 1903 who is very much of the New Woman type - in the context of the story, she’d have been born circa 1880. My guess is that it’s a reaction against Victorian industrialisation and urbanisation but also a response to a more cramped way of life and better child care needing more distinctive names.
 

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A British example from thee-ish centuries ago -- by one of the ruder of the Metaphysical Poets (I forget who): a decidedly spicy offering, To Amarantha, that she might dishevel her hair -- amaranth being a type of flowering plant. The picture tends to be got, rightly or otherwise: that the folk concerned were daringly free spirits by the standards of the times -- maybe likely thus, to go in for weird-and-way-out first names?
 

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My father had an elder sister called Olive, born circa 1910!
And I had an Aunt Olive (Mother's elder sister) born just after WW1

Some parents name their children after where they were conceived - perhaps this one was a result of mile-high club membership, but they weren't sure how to spell it. :D
I new someone called Tryfan after the Welsh mountain on whose slopes he was said to be conceived.
But, on revisiting the area 40 years later hey realised that it had been Gallt y Ogof where the deed was done

Some parents name their children after where they were conceived - perhaps this one was a result of mile-high club membership, but they weren't sure how to spell it. :D
Better than being called BA456 ;)
 
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When I was at school [a lot of years ago] and chatting to some friends about this - it turned out that several of the local villages, and the military bases, had had vicars / padres / chaplains with the fetish that child being christened had to have a saint's name, preferably either that of their birth or christening day, as well as whatever the parents actually wanted.
[Same situation for my late M-i-L, who was labelled as 'Mary' - a name she didn't like much at all, and her school had several in her classes, leading to some levels of confusion].
 

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Some parents name their children after where they were conceived - perhaps this one was a result of mile-high club membership, but they weren't sure how to spell it. :D

Would Brooklyn Beckham be an example of that?

Reminds me of one fo the best contemporary jokes around when he was born…

”David and Victoria Beckham have named their son Brooklyn, after the location he was conceived. Meanwhile in an Essex hosptial a baby has been named ‘Back seat of a Ford Escort, legs akimbo’”
 

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