The point you seemed to be trying to make back then was that the numbers were not fairly distributed between the 2 TOCs, as though SE had too many trains. Thats the bit no one agreed with.
If Southeastern has the same problem. Then I would fully support them getting more rolling stock.
I think the point is that saying Southeastern have more stock than Southern on pure numbers doesn’t mean Southeastern have less need for more stock. To try and estimate that, you’d want average daily fleet utilisation or something. Or number of daily short forms/cancellations due to lack of stock.
Meanwhile the SNCF has a fleet size of 2,255 trains. This is an outrage against Southern commuters!
Southern has the right number of trains for the Services it runs today - you do not see cancellations very often for lack of rolling stock.
Yes, the few extra 387s it will get are for additional services (though I can't remember what they are of the top of my head!). It does not need 30 additional units so some 377s may go to SE for 465/9 replacement.
Southern could do with 5-6 extra 377's to get some of the very busy rush hour workings back up to 12's though but don't see any of the other extra services returning like the fast Dorkings.
We have had a pandemic and fewer people have been travelling. Worse still the railways have lost more season ticket revenue than the drop in passenger numbers suggests. It is picking up though but not enough to really increase capacity by much - so far.
Yes. I do understand that we had a pandemic which in my view was very badly managed by the government but what what I have seen that Southern had to cut back on services due to lack of available rolling and commuters were not happy about and were doing petitions about reinstating services that was taken away.
Those two plus 006
many thanks
It doesn’t any more, and the paths got used by a new southeastern service in May 2023.
That will become clear when unit and traincrew plans have been worked out. But I would expect it will be 30 379+some 387s and a handful of extra RLU diagrams.
It does need them, but as well know too well the DfT and co. don't do sense.
379s run on Linux and 387s on Windows so very much "computer says no"! Not sure if mechanically they would couple, depends if the coupler alignment is the same on both types I guess but they wouldn't be able to couple in service.
Why not send the 700s to Southern, much more suitable if a crush loaded train is the issue. Along with the right side of the Thames for 3 bridges.
That's not a problem, it is how the service works now with a mix of classes 387 and 700.
Apart from a few Peterborough services, there aren't any self contained peak diagrams. Peak capacity to and from the Fens is running 12 cars instead of 8, plus running Letchworth trains through to/from Cambridge and Ely trains to/from Kings Lynn.
GN drivers already sign 700s. SN do not.
For now
but it is undeniably a mismatch of trains and services to have 700s on Kings Lynn fasts and 379s on Letchworth stoppers.
But then you could easily design it towards being future proofed for if it gets used elsewhere, like 387s, With the inbuilt potential to go 110mph. Given that its an Electrostar it probably can hit 110mph already. They all have the same gear ratio for the most part except the class 378s.
I mean its probably the case that its to use less money, but i just dont see why the liverys needs to be so bland, and why its a South england trend, at least it seems that way. Take a look at northern, avanti west coast, Greater Anglia, west midlands and so on, Really nice liverys. At least the most Thameslink could do is apply some more bolder contrasting stickers or door colours. At least thats my opinion.
