Hello from the Croatia and Couple of questions

[Domagoj Vu]

Hello, im Domagoj from Croatia, i grow up with railway.
Mine questions are;In which railway stations in London are passing those German China Clay NACCO Zafns tankwagons including closed Cargowaggons?
http://i68.tinypic.com/am49w7.jpg
Photographed by me in Botovo, Croatia
And second last question of the location.
In this song which i found it on most popular game Grand Theft Auto 5 there are some locations in London UK.
To me looks like Scrubbs Lane Bridge at 4:41.
Id like know that location if someone knows it post it here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xuz94ZIPfJk
Apologies for bad English and Grettings from the Vukovar, Croatia
EDIT:I cant post any post... so thanks for welcoming.
Telstarbox, sorry i like olny freight trains, unforunely not passenger, sorry! Maybe you could ask on our Zeljeznice.net forum?
My future plan is go to London and try catch up those Zafns tank wagons.

 

[Shaw S Hunter]

Hello, im Domagoj from Croatia, i grow up with railway.
Mine questions are;In which railway stations in London are passing those German China Clay NACCO Zafns tankwagons including closed Cargowaggons?
http://i68.tinypic.com/am49w7.jpg
Photographed by me in Botovo, Croatia
And second last question of the location.
In this song which i found it on most popular game Grand Theft Auto 5 there are some locations in London UK.
To me looks like Scrubbs Lane Bridge at 4:41.
Id like know that location if someone knows it post it here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xuz94ZIPfJk
Apologies for bad English and Grettings from the Vukovar, Croatia

Welcome to the forum. I'll leave your freight question to the real experts.

The bridge is Bishops Bridge Road immediately to the west of London's Paddington station though it has been replaced since the video was made. It is easily seen from the platforms there and ties in with the closing scene in the video which most definitely looks like it was filmed there. The on-train scenes appear to be something of a railway rarity as I think they were filmed aboard a Class 210 diesel unit: only 2 of these prototypes were built and were considered too expensive for any continued production.

Sadly my rail trips to Croatia in 1996-8 didn't take me to Vukovar but at least I managed a trip to Zadar while HZ was still running trains there rather than buses.

You may be certain that your English is very much better than anything any of us could manage in Croat!

 

[telstarbox]

Ask us about Split ticketing :P

 

[RichmondCommu]

Ask us about Split ticketing :P

Very clever!!

 

[TimboM]

Hello, im Domagoj from Croatia, i grow up with railway.
Mine questions are;In which railway stations in London are passing those German China Clay NACCO Zafns tankwagons including closed Cargowaggons?
http://i68.tinypic.com/am49w7.jpg
Photographed by me in Botovo, Croatia

Hi Domagoj

Regarding the NACCO China Clay tanks, we do have them in the UK, but (and someone will no doubt correct me if I'm wrong) I believe they are only on one working which runs from the continent - this is the weekly (at most) flow of china clay slurry from Antwerp (Belgium) to Irvine Caledonian Paper in Scotland (and empty wagons back).

The train comprises 20 of the Nacco ICA tanks (nicknamed "Silver Bullet" in this country, although all the ones we see are rusty brown now!). It is hauled to Calais by continental locos. 2x GB Railfreight Class 92s then bring it through the Channel Tunnel overnight on Tuesdays (2x locomotives required due to the weight of the loaded train which is in the region of 1,800 tonnes). A combination of a GBRf Class 66 and a Class 92 then haul it to Irvine in Scotland. It runs from the tunnel through Kent and London but not through any major London stations as far as I know.

There's usually a stop-over in Wembley yard to swap locos (66 typically does the stretch to Wembley, 92 then on from there up the West Coast Main Line during the day on Wednesday).

The train stops again at Carlisle where the 92 comes off and the 66 works the tanks forward to Irvine in Scotland (as this last stretch is not electrified).

On the Thursday evening/night, the Class 66 hauls the empties back to Carlisle, where it's switched for the Class 92 (that's remained in Carlisle). The 92 then returns the empty tanks to the tunnel (via a stop-over during Friday daytime 0at Wembley Yard).

Couple of videos of the loaded train working through Cheshire (North West England):

https://youtu.be/ProQqZUa5a0

https://youtu.be/gVDc73pRsuY

(In both these the Class 92 electric on the front is the only loco under power - the Class 66 is "Dead in Transit")

 

[Domagoj Vu]

Thanks for welcoming!
Telstarbox, im very sorry... I do not understand it to passenger trains becouse i like olny freight trains... ;( Maybe go to our railway forum Zeljeznice.net?
For Nacco China clay wagons - im plannig to wait it in London at Kings road bridge and Kensington Olympia in a future.

 

[westv]

A bit off topic but I had a very nice holiday in Rovinj, Croatia earlier this year.

 

[ABB125]

Hi Domagoj

Regarding the NACCO China Clay tanks, we do have them in the UK, but (and someone will no doubt correct me if I'm wrong) I believe they are only on one working which runs from the continent - this is the weekly (at most) flow of china clay slurry from Antwerp (Belgium) to Irvine Caledonian Paper in Scotland (and empty wagons back).

The train comprises 20 of the Nacco ICA tanks (nicknamed "Silver Bullet" in this country, although all the ones we see are rusty brown now!). It is hauled to Calais by continental locos. 2x GB Railfreight Class 92s then bring it through the Channel Tunnel overnight on Tuesdays (2x locomotives required due to the weight of the loaded train which is in the region of 1,800 tonnes). A combination of a GBRf Class 66 and a Class 92 then haul it to Irvine in Scotland. It runs from the tunnel through Kent and London but not through any major London stations as far as I know.

There's usually a stop-over in Wembley yard to swap locos (66 typically does the stretch to Wembley, 92 then on from there up the West Coast Main Line during the day on Wednesday).

The train stops again at Carlisle where the 92 comes off and the 66 works the tanks forward to Irvine in Scotland (as this last stretch is not electrified).

On the Thursday evening/night, the Class 66 hauls the empties back to Carlisle, where it's switched for the Class 92 (that's remained in Carlisle). The 92 then returns the empty tanks to the tunnel (via a stop-over during Friday daytime 0at Wembley Yard).

Couple of videos of the loaded train working through Cheshire (North West England):

https://youtu.be/ProQqZUa5a0

https://youtu.be/gVDc73pRsuY

(In both these the Class 92 electric on the front is the only loco under power - the Class 66 is "Dead in Transit")

Slightly off topic, but why are 2 class 92s needed through the tunnel? Surely thay can manage 1800 tonnes? Is it for safety reasons?

 

[4069]

The bridge is Bishops Bridge Road immediately to the west of London's Paddington station though it has been replaced since the video was made.

The bridge in the film is actually the next one west, Westbourne Bridge, which is still in the condition shown, although the view is rather different today as the route has been electrified.

 

[TimboM]

Slightly off topic, but why are 2 class 92s needed through the tunnel? Surely thay can manage 1800 tonnes? Is it for safety reasons?

Yes - it's safety/operational reasons per Channel Tunnel regs.

The inclines out of the tunnel (particularly heading into the UK) are pretty steep and so to ensure they don't end up with a freight train stalled/failed/struggling up the "hill" trains over a certain weight need to have 2x 92s. Under that limit only one is needed.

Unlike on Network Rail "classic" lines/25kv where 92s cannot work in multi, in the Channel Tunnel and on HS1 they can work as a pair, so you're talking approx. 13,500 hp on the front! (assuming both are under power)

Incidentally, I believe the official max trailing load for a 92 on BR metals was 1,600 tonnes (although they regularly exceeded this particularly on this working). The design spec, however, was for them to be able to haul a 2,000 tonne train single-handedly up the incline out of the tunnel. So, yes, a single 92 could cope with train fine on it's own, but the 2nd one is there for "insurance".

The empties on the return working to Calais only need 1x 92 I believe.

 

[ABB125]

Yes - it's safety/operational reasons per Channel Tunnel regs.

The inclines out of the tunnel (particularly heading into the UK) are pretty steep and so to ensure they don't end up with a freight train stalled/failed/struggling up the "hill" trains over a certain weight need to have 2x 92s. Under that limit only one is needed.

Unlike on Network Rail "classic" lines/25kv where 92s cannot work in multi, in the Channel Tunnel and on HS1 they can work as a pair, so you're talking approx. 13,500 hp on the front! (assuming both are under power)

Incidentally, I believe the official max trailing load for a 92 on BR metals was 1,600 tonnes (although they regularly exceeded this particularly on this working). The design spec, however, was for them to be able to haul a 2,000 tonne train single-handedly up the incline out of the tunnel. So, yes, a single 92 could cope with train fine on it's own, but the 2nd one is there for "insurance".

The empties on the return working to Calais only need 1x 92 I believe.

Thanks very much.

 

[40129]

Welcome to the forum. I'll leave your freight question to the real experts.

The bridge is Bishops Bridge Road immediately to the west of London's Paddington station though it has been replaced since the video was made. It is easily seen from the platforms there and ties in with the closing scene in the video which most definitely looks like it was filmed there. The on-train scenes appear to be something of a railway rarity as I think they were filmed aboard a Class 210 diesel unit: only 2 of these prototypes were built and were considered too expensive for any continued production.

Sadly my rail trips to Croatia in 1996-8 didn't take me to Vukovar but at least I managed a trip to Zadar while HZ was still running trains there rather than buses.

You may be certain that your English is very much better than anything any of us could manage in Croat!

Was definitely a cl-210. The video is too early for the later mk3 derived DMUs i.e cl-150 which iirc have not been used on the lines out of Paddington

 

[mwh_mike]

Hi Domagoj

Regarding the NACCO China Clay tanks, we do have them in the UK, but (and someone will no doubt correct me if I'm wrong) I believe they are only on one working which runs from the continent - this is the weekly (at most) flow of china clay slurry from Antwerp (Belgium) to Irvine Caledonian Paper in Scotland (and empty wagons back).

The train comprises 20 of the Nacco ICA tanks (nicknamed "Silver Bullet" in this country, although all the ones we see are rusty brown now!). It is hauled to Calais by continental locos. 2x GB Railfreight Class 92s then bring it through the Channel Tunnel overnight on Tuesdays (2x locomotives required due to the weight of the loaded train which is in the region of 1,800 tonnes). A combination of a GBRf Class 66 and a Class 92 then haul it to Irvine in Scotland. It runs from the tunnel through Kent and London but not through any major London stations as far as I know.

There's usually a stop-over in Wembley yard to swap locos (66 typically does the stretch to Wembley, 92 then on from there up the West Coast Main Line during the day on Wednesday).

The train stops again at Carlisle where the 92 comes off and the 66 works the tanks forward to Irvine in Scotland (as this last stretch is not electrified).

On the Thursday evening/night, the Class 66 hauls the empties back to Carlisle, where it's switched for the Class 92 (that's remained in Carlisle). The 92 then returns the empty tanks to the tunnel (via a stop-over during Friday daytime 0at Wembley Yard).

...

Just saw the exact train past through West Brompton station. Considering it runs on the West London Line, the London stations that it passes through would be Shepherd's Bush, Kensington Olympia, West Brompton, Imperial Wharf, and then down the Chatham Main Line.

 

[Shaw S Hunter]

Was definitely a cl-210. The video is too early for the later mk3 derived DMUs i.e cl-150 which iirc have not been used on the lines out of Paddington

The biggest clue is the windows: they have the small opening hopper ventilators which were only fitted to 317s and the 210s. Coupled with the shots at Paddington, the lack of overhead stanchions visible during the journey and slightly generous spacing between lines, as well as a HST going the other way, it all suggested the Great Western Main Line. Not to mention that the 210s brief passenger career included a spell working between Paddington and Newbury/Bedwyn.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Another point of interest - at 3:10 they're in an arch ( looks vaguely like one under Charing Cross prior to the rebuild and all the shops and offices springing up under the line??? ) but seconds later they emerge from a square bridge, not an arch, which has overhead electrification on it, which reminds me very much of the line between Bethnal Green and Hackney Downs.

 

[Shaw S Hunter]

Another point of interest - at 3:10 they're in an arch ( looks vaguely like one under Charing Cross prior to the rebuild and all the shops and offices springing up under the line??? ) but seconds later they emerge from a square bridge, not an arch, which has overhead electrification on it, which reminds me very much of the line between Bethnal Green and Hackney Downs.

We need someone to recognise that cafe! As for the elevated line with overhead electrification another possibility is the LT&S line out of Fenchurch Street through Shadwell: no DLR back then.