High Speed 2 225 mph train

[starrymarkb]

Yep... like you say just things like Manc-Rose Hill/Marple and Ellesmere Port-Warr BQ would be must better to release stock. Electrifying Uckfield, The North Downs and the Marshlink would leave one piece of passsenger track in SE England unelectrified. Anyone want to guess where?

Folkestone Harbour?

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Folkestone Harbour?

Erm... not really passenger is it ? Bit closer to London

 

[LE Greys]

Yep... like you say just things like Manc-Rose Hill/Marple and Ellesmere Port-Warr BQ would be must better to release stock. Electrifying Uckfield, The North Downs and the Marshlink would leave one piece of passsenger track in SE England unelectrified. Anyone want to guess where?

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Can't really count Gospel Oak-Barking (which needs electrifying as well)

 

[MidnightFlyer]

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Can't really count Gospel Oak-Barking (which needs electrifying as well)

Which is on the Midland. Its on the old Southern, in Kent, a Branchline, less than half a mile long...
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OK - the bit of track I was talking about was... the Swale Swing Bridge

 

[LE Greys]

Which is on the Midland. Its on the old Southern, in Kent, a Branchline, less than half a mile long...
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OK - the bit of track I was talking about was... the Swale Swing Bridge

Well, you stumped me! Well done!

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Well, you stumped me! Well done!

Thanks - realised when immensley bored one day and trawling through Quail Maps. They cruise over, like they do LCs.

 

[scotsman]

I was wondering why the Daily Mail would run such a pro-rail story....

 

[jas_sl]

Like with most concept renderings these are a chance to float new ideas and get people thinking and excited. I for one like them but also understand how the points raised will ultimately shape the finished product. I can guarantee alot of iconic building or bridges wouldn't have been quite so impressive if their starting point, the concept drawings, weren't pushing the boat out just a little before the grim reality of cost and laws of physics set in!

And anyway, what cost of the entire HS2 build would be made up of the rolling stock and its design?

 

[brianthegiant]

What concerns me, is that behind the glitzy images of scenic buffet cars which would never meet safety regs, is that this is by the same designer as the very cramped pendolino & who's background is in aircraft cabin design. ie their track record for actually designing spacious rail cabins is not very good.

Seems to me that since HS2 is intended to be european guage, we ought to take advantage & have something a bit more spacious, like the ICE..

 

[LE Greys]

What concerns me, is that behind the glitzy images of scenic buffet cars which would never meet safety regs, is that this is by the same designer as the very cramped pendolino & who's background is in aircraft cabin design. ie their track record for actually designing spacious rail cabins is not very good.

Seems to me that since HS2 is intended to be european guage, we ought to take advantage & have something a bit more spacious, like the ICE..

They'd end up captive on the route, but it's still a very good idea for the cross-channel trains. Duplex TGVs would provide enough capacity to replace aircraft completely on the London-Paris and London-Brussels routes, and, if they ran in pairs, be capable of splitting to serve two different destinations beyond there (Amsterdam/Munich or Geneva/Nice).

 

[Geezertronic]

Seems to me that since HS2 is intended to be european guage...

Where is that stated anywhere? Certainly was not the case under the Labour Governments plans...

 

[222666]

I like the concept but surely something that fast & luxurious is meant for LONG DISTANCE, not a quick hop to Brum? Is complete overkill surely?

Something about this puts the words NATIONAL EXPRESS and SILVERSTONE in my head for some reason, 'cos Brackley is just down the road from there. Am I the only one thinking this? Sure it will be transport for the uber-rich

 

[brianthegiant]

Where is that stated anywhere? Certainly was not the case under the Labour Governments plans...

Its definately in the reports, I think " Britain's Transport Infrastructure: High Speed Two" Department for Transport publication on high speed rail
HS2 will be built to European GC loading gauge enabling GB+ gauge freight, and duplex passenger stock from BHAM-Europe,
further extensions of HS2 would also be GC guage. There is talk in the reports of using 2 types of stock, Duplex for BHAM-London/(europe).
and narrower stock al la eurostar 373s for routes going onto classic lines beyond HS2. I suspect this is discussed in more detail in the previous HS2 threads.

 

[caliwag]

Interesting...all the discussion on Health an safety rules not allowing such a sleak interior: watch out for the next government announcement sweeping away such silly rules. Today's news: communities will be allowed to build up to 20 houses in green belt without planning permission!
Like all things in UK, this does not take account of NIMBYS