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High speed Canterbury to London

Joannaa89

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Hello, I have recently taken a job that involves travelling to London from Canterbury West 3x per week (then onto the tube to Green Park).
I went to the ticket station to ask for a yearly pass and was told it is £9020 which just seems an extortionate amount of money to upfront literally to just get to and from work.
Please, please you know of any ways/tips/loopholes to reduce this I would be so grateful! Thank you.
 
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JonathanH

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I went to the ticket station to ask for a yearly pass and was told it is £9020 which just seems an extortionate amount of money to upfront literally to just get to and from work.
It is clearly expensive, but equally it is more than 70 miles from Canterbury to London, and there is a premium for both using the high speed line, and for using the underground on arrival in London.

The annual price of £9,020 for a Travelcard season valid on HS1 is 40 times the weekly Travelcard season ticket price of £225.50.

A season ticket for the slower routes from Canterbury East to London Victoria, or Canterbury West to London Charing Cross, from where it is possible to walk to Green Park, is £169.70, which multiplied by 40 for an annual ticket is £6,788.

The daily price from Canterbury to London is £73.80 for a return to London using the classic routes, or £98.70 for an Anytime Day Travelcard on HS1, so the season ticket is priced at a discount to the cost of daily tickets. If the only underground journey is Kings Cross St Pancras to Green Park, then it is cheaper to buy a return to St Pancras and use Contactless on the underground.

That discount isn't as much for three days travel each week though as someone travelling five days a week.

While flexi seasons valid for eight days travel in a 28 day period are available on the classic routes for £384, and on HS1 for £460.70, any travel on the underground has to be purchased separately. Nevertheless, that may offer some discount for a three day a week commute relative to buying daily tickets.

Passengers under 30 may find it advantageous to use 16-25 or 26-30 railcards to discount fares, but once above age 30, there isn't that opportunity.
Day return £40.60 for 46 weeks is £5602.80
What day return is £40.60?
 

spyinthesky

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It is clearly expensive, but equally it is more than 70 miles from Canterbury to London, and there is a premium for both using the high speed line, and for using the underground on arrival in London.

The annual price of £9,020 for a Travelcard season valid on HS1 is 40 times the weekly Travelcard season ticket price of £225.50.

A season ticket for the slower routes from Canterbury East to London Victoria, or Canterbury West to London Charing Cross, from where it is possible to walk to Green Park, is £169.70, which multiplied by 40 for an annual ticket is £6,788.

The daily price from Canterbury to London is £73.80 for a return to London using the classic routes, or £98.70 for an Anytime Day Travelcard on HS1, so the season ticket is priced at a discount to the cost of daily tickets. If the only underground journey is Kings Cross St Pancras to Green Park, then it is cheaper to buy a return to St Pancras and use Contactless on the underground.

That discount isn't as much for three days travel each week though as someone travelling five days a week.

While flexi seasons valid for eight days travel in a 28 day period are available on the classic routes for £384, and on HS1 for £460.70, any travel on the underground has to be purchased separately. Nevertheless, that may offer some discount for a three day a week commute relative to buying daily tickets.

Passengers under 30 may find it advantageous to use 16-25 or 26-30 railcards to discount fares, but once above age 30, there isn't that opportunity.

What day return is £40.60?
£39.20 if you pick your time. Cost or convenience I suppose
 

JonathanH

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£39.20 if you pick your time. Cost or convenience I suppose
Yes, there are some advance fares available on the route by the looks of things, but what is the availability like at peak times, and can working hours be predicted with certainty?
 

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if you don't qualify for any other railcard then you could purchase a Network Railcard and buy:

Anytime Day Single from Canterbury West to St Pancras (via High Speed) £48.60
Off Peak Day Single from St Pancras to Canterbury West (via High Speed) £31.35 with Network Railcard discount
Total £79.95

You'd need to pay separately for the underground but this does represent a saving over the Anytime Day Return to St Pancras which is £88.30.

£39.20 if you pick your time. Cost or convenience I suppose
I can't see a fare for £39.20. Can you let us know what it is and any restrictions that apply. For completeness if it is an Advance ticket we should point out that these fares are not guaranteed to always be available at that price, if at all.
 

JonathanH

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if you don't qualify for any other railcard then you could purchase a Network Railcard and buy:

Anytime Day Single from Canterbury West to St Pancras (via High Speed) £48.60
Off Peak Day Single from St Pancras to Canterbury West (via High Speed) £31.35 with Network Railcard discount
Total £79.95
Whilst that is undoubtedly true and worth pointing out, unfortunately three lots of £79.95 for that combination plus £5.60 for tube fares doesn't compare favourably with the comparable weekly Travelcard season of £225.50, nor indeed over a year with £9,020.

Even 18 flexi seasons at £460.70, to cover 138 days of travel (46 x 3) plus the relevant underground fares doesn't undercut £9,020, particularly once the March fare increase is built into the equation.
 
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Joannaa89

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Whilst that is undoubtedly true and worth pointing out, unfortunately three lots of £79.95 for that combination plus £5.60 for tube fares doesn't compare favourably with the comparable weekly Travelcard season of £225.50, nor indeed over a year with £9,020.

Even 18 flexi seasons at £460.70, to cover 138 days of travel (46 x 3) plus the relevant underground fares doesn't undercut £9,020, particularly once the March fare increase is built into the equation.
Thank you for all your responses, it’s very appreciated. May I kindly ask about the fare increase you mention in March? Thank you
 

jfollows

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Thank you for all your responses, it’s very appreciated. May I kindly ask about the fare increase you mention in March? Thank you
Regulated fares +4.6% (July 2024 RPI + 1%) on 2 March 2025, but if you buy now you get the current rate.
 

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