How Many Of These Vintage British Locos From Railroad Tycoon Still Exist

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I've been playing the 1990 Amiga game Railroad Tycoon and I'm wondering how many of the 10 vintage locos from England scenario (1828 - 1928) are still left in real life.

1. 2-2-0 Planet (Built in October 1830)
2. 2-2-2 Patentee (1835 to 1845)
3. 4-2-0 Iron Duke Class (1847)
4. 0-6-0 DX Goods (1855 to 1872)
5. 4-2-2 Stirling (1870 to 1893)
6. 4-2-2 Johnson Midland Spinner (1877)
7. 0-8-0 Webb Compound (1890s)
8. 4-4-0 Claud Hamilton Class (1900 to 1923)
9. 4-6-2 A1 Class (1923)
10. 4-6-2 A4 Class (1935 to 1938)
 
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I've been playing the 1990 Amiga game Railroad Tycoon and I'm wondering how many of the 10 vintage locos from England scenario (1828 - 1928) are still left in real life.

1. 2-2-0 Planet (Built in October 1830)
2. 2-2-2 Patentee (1835 to 1845)
3. 4-2-0 Iron Duke Class (1847)
4. 0-6-0 DX Goods (1855 to 1872)
5. 4-2-2 Stirling (1870 to 1893)
6. 4-2-2 Johnson Midland Spinner (1877)
7. 0-8-0 Webb Compound (1890s)
8. 4-4-0 Claud Hamilton Class (1900 to 1923)
9. 4-6-2 A1 Class (1923)
10. 4-6-2 A4 Class (1935 to 1938)
  1. The original Planet was rebuilt in 1833, but a replica was built in 1992 according to Wikipedia.
  2. Wikipedia has a photo of a replica of a Patentee but doesn't say if any originals were saved. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patentee_(locomotive)
  3. Didcot Railway Centre has a replica of the Iron Duke class - specifically the one called Iron Duke. It's owned by the NRM.
  4. Wikipedia says none of the LNWR DX Goods locos were preserved.
  5. No. 1 of the Stirling Single has been preserved as part of the NRM's collection.
  6. The only example of the "Spinners" to have survived is No. 673 and it's part of the NRM's collection.
  7. A quick search gives the class for the "Webb Compound" as LNWR Class B. None of these were preserved.
  8. None of the Claud Hamilton class were preserved.
  9. There is a new-build A1 in the form of 60163 Tornado.
  10. Six A4s have been preserved, including 4468 Mallard, holder of the world record for fastest steam locomotive.
Hope this is of use!

-Peter :)
 

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I think for no 9 you need a Gresley A1 (unrebuilt A3), rather than the Peppercorn / Tornado variety.
 

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I think for no 9 you need a Gresley A1 (unrebuilt A3), rather than the Peppercorn / Tornado variety.
In that case, there aren't any A1s surviving - and 60103 Flying Scotsman is the only preserved Gresley A3.

-Peter
 

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Here's the Europe list as well for those who are more brainy.

Europe starts with the British locos in 1900 then introduces Europe ones after the A4 Class and ends at the year 2000
1. 6/6 GE Class Crocodile (1921 Swiss Electric Loco)
2. 1-Do-1 Class E18 (1935 Dutch Electric Loco)
3. 4-8-4 242 A1 (1946 French Steam Loco)
4. V200 B-B (1953 German Diesel-Electric Loco)
5. Bo-Bo-BO RE Calss 6/6 (1972 Swiss Loco)
6. TGV (1981 French High Speed Loco)

Wonder how many of these still are around?
 

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In that case, there aren't any A1s surviving - and 60103 Flying Scotsman is the only preserved Gresley A3.

-Peter
A1s were, of course, upgraded to A3s (as you imply). That Flying Scotsman is the only survivor is very sadly true - something I much regret and think about every time I see yet another preserved GWR 4-6-0! They had such fantastic names and they made such an great sound at full chat heading north out of London. For some reason I didn't love the A4s nearly as much!
 

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I believe preservation of a Claude Hamilton was proposed, but the last survivor was scrapped at Stratford, a society has been formed to build a replica
 

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Here's the Europe list as well for those who are more brainy.

Europe starts with the British locos in 1900 then introduces Europe ones after the A4 Class and ends at the year 2000
1. 6/6 GE Class Crocodile (1921 Swiss Electric Loco)
2. 1-Do-1 Class E18 (1935 Dutch Electric Loco)
3. 4-8-4 242 A1 (1946 French Steam Loco)
4. V200 B-B (1953 German Diesel-Electric Loco)
5. Bo-Bo-BO RE Calss 6/6 (1972 Swiss Loco)
6. TGV (1981 French High Speed Loco)

Wonder how many of these still are around?
Apparently there are six 6/6 GE Crocodiles still around, 4 static and 2 in working order. Something to savour on a future alpine trip!
 

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A1s were, of course, upgraded to A3s (as you imply). That Flying Scotsman is the only survivor is very sadly true - something I much regret and think about every time I see yet another preserved GWR 4-6-0! They had such fantastic names and they made such an great sound at full chat heading north out of London. For some reason I didn't love the A4s nearly as much!
Being a GWR fan, I'm not complaining ;)
But yes, it is sad that 60103 is the only surviving A3. I suppose there's always the new-build route, should anyone really want to build another!

I believe preservation of a Claude Hamilton was proposed, but the last survivor was scrapped at Stratford, a society has been formed to build a replica
I left this bit out of my original answer to the OP, again from Wikipedia:
A group based at the Whitwell & Reepham railway plan to build a replica of D16/2 No. 8783 to be named Phoenix.

Here's the Europe list as well for those who are more brainy.

Europe starts with the British locos in 1900 then introduces Europe ones after the A4 Class and ends at the year 2000
1. 6/6 GE Class Crocodile (1921 Swiss Electric Loco)
2. 1-Do-1 Class E18 (1935 Dutch Electric Loco)
3. 4-8-4 242 A1 (1946 French Steam Loco)
4. V200 B-B (1953 German Diesel-Electric Loco)
5. Bo-Bo-BO RE Calss 6/6 (1972 Swiss Loco)
6. TGV (1981 French High Speed Loco)

Wonder how many of these still are around?
@Rescars has already answered the first one, so here are my answers (from Wikipedia again) for the rest:

2. Six of the DRG Class E18s have been preserved.
3. Wikipedia doesn't have a separate article for the 242A1 but gives the following as part of the 4-8-4 wheel arrangement article:
In service, the 242A1 was allocated to the Le Mans depot and, between 1950 and 1960, it hauled express trains over the 411 kilometres (255 miles) between Le Mans and Brest. It did not remain in service long, however, and was withdrawn and scrapped in 1960.
4. Looks like these locos went to various places after DB service - Saudi Arabia had some until the last was scrapped in 2002; Italy has some; Greece has eleven; Spain had one as of 2018; France had four until 1999; Switzerland had seven before six remaining locos were sold into private ownership in Germany; Algeria has one which "has been stored for many years at Constantine depot"; Albania had five but Wikipedia doesn't say if they are still there; Germany has fourteen by the looks of it.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DB_Class_V_200
5. The RE 6/6 locos are still around (and are also called SBB-CFF-FFS Re 620 locos)
6. There isn't one TGV train - there have been several - and there are currently five in service (the Atlantique, Réseau, Duplex, POS, and 2N2), and there are two retired sets - the Sud-Est and La Poste.

Hope this is helpful :)

-Peter
 

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6. TGV (1981 French High Speed Loco)
6. There isn't one TGV train - there have been several - and there are currently five in service (the Atlantique, Réseau, Duplex, POS, and 2N2), and there are two retired sets - the Sud-Est and La Poste.
"1981" will be referring to the original TGV Sud-Est (aka PSE) sets, the last of which were retired in December 2019.
 

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3. The SNCF 242 A1 is deemed to have been Andre Chapelon's masterpiece. Just such a sadness it was scrapped - but perhaps it was capable of outperforming some of its electric replacements. Embarrassing for the powers that be, perhaps?
 

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Last of all just for you here is the USA list which has 11 locos from over there in the game.

1. 0-4-0 Grasshopper (1830s)
2. 4-2-0 Norris (1834)
3. 4-4-0 American (Late 19th Century Wild West Loco)
4. 2-6-0 Mogul (1864)
5. 4-6-0 Ten-Wheeler (1860s)
6. 2-8-0 Consoldiation (1870s)
7. 4-6-2 Pacific (1889)
8. 2-8-2 Mikado (1897)
9. 4-6-6-4 Mallet (1904)
10. EMD F Series Diesel-Electric (1939)
11. EMD GP Series Diesel-Electric (1949)

I can imagine some of these no longer exist or have been preserved in America. There's a railway museum in Baltimore too. I've also found a website where they are on about building a replica of the British Claud Hamilton locomotive.
 

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Here's the Europe list as well for those who are more brainy.

Europe starts with the British locos in 1900 then introduces Europe ones after the A4 Class and ends at the year 2000
1. 6/6 GE Class Crocodile (1921 Swiss Electric Loco)
Worth saying that these are metre gauge locos (Ge)
2. 1-Do-1 Class E18 (1935 Dutch Electric Loco)
Dutch? That's a DRG classification. Wikipedia says the NS 1000 class were to basically the same design, though.
 

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I've been playing the 1990 Amiga game Railroad Tycoon and I'm wondering how many of the 10 vintage locos from England scenario (1828 - 1928) are still left in real life.

1. 2-2-0 Planet (Built in October 1830)
2. 2-2-2 Patentee (1835 to 1845)
3. 4-2-0 Iron Duke Class (1847)
4. 0-6-0 DX Goods (1855 to 1872)
5. 4-2-2 Stirling (1870 to 1893)
6. 4-2-2 Johnson Midland Spinner (1877)
7. 0-8-0 Webb Compound (1890s)
8. 4-4-0 Claud Hamilton Class (1900 to 1923)
9. 4-6-2 A1 Class (1923)
10. 4-6-2 A4 Class (1935 to 1938)
All the Webb compound 0-8-0s were rebuilt as "simple" (non-compound) locos. There is a preserved 0-8-0 built in the 1920s that resembles some of the rebuilds. (BR 49395)

"Flying Scotsman" is visually fairly similar to the original Gresley A1 4-6-2s, but the originals had lower pressure boilers, single chimneys and no smoke deflectors.
 

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10. EMD F Series Diesel-Electric (1939)
11. EMD GP Series Diesel-Electric (1949)
These are a bit vague, really:
  • F-series units were built from 1939 to 1960 and total 4736 with cab (A-type) and 2906 without cab (B-type). A significant number are preserved and more than a handful are operational,
  • GP-series units were built from 1949 to 2001 and total roughly 16500 across 30-odd different models. Many remain in normal service today, and a much larger number are preserved in operational condition. This excludes the models produced for export customers, and the models and derivatives produced under license in Canada, Australia, and a handful of other countries.
 

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out of imterest are you playing this on an actual amiga or using an emulator?

I have this game myself both for atari st and DOS. The PC i played it on was an amstrad mega PC which had a sliding front panel which flipped to the left revealed a standard 386 PC and to the right was a sega megadrive! both shared the PC monitor while the megadrive also acted as a sound card for the PC. despite being a avid st nut i preferred playing the PC version as the sound was better than from the YM 2149 chip the atari used
 

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I believe preservation of a Claude Hamilton was proposed, but the last survivor was scrapped at Stratford, a society has been formed to build a replica

I remember reading in a magazine many years ago (although I can't remember which one or when) a story that allegedly there was a Claude Hamilton in bits in one of the sheds at Stratford for some years. The story also said that no-one knew where it was, though ... a comment on the size of Stratford or, more likely, proof that it was just an urban myth.
 

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