Hull Trains stopping at Goole in January

[cjxmc]

I've just noticed that for a few days in January Hull Trains are stopping at Goole. Is this a normal occurrence because I've never seen this before!

 

[Farigiraf]

Most likely a diversionary route. In which case, I would bring it up in this thread!
What alternative is being provided for Selby and Howden passengers during this period?

 

[ainsworth74]

I've just noticed that for a few days in January Hull Trains are stopping at Goole. Is this a normal occurrence because I've never seen this before!

Selby is shut (or at least somewhere nearby is) so HT are diverting, it's quite common when the usual route isn't available. Though I don't think they always call. In this case this I think is to allow them run the replacement buses between Goole - Selby/Howden without needing them to go to Doncaster or similar.

What alternative is being provided for Selby and Howden passengers during this period?

Buses are per NRE:

Description​

Engineering work is taking place in the Selby area, closing some lines.

As a result, all Hull Trains services will be diverted to run via Goole (calling additionally), and will not call at Howden or Selby.

Replacement buses will run between Goole and Howden / Selby.

Engineering works: HT Selby | National Rail

No Hull Trains services via Selby from Saturday 4 to Sunday 12 January. See details of routes affected by planned engineering works, including when they take effect, alternative timetables, advice for alternative travel, including info about engineering work and why it is necessary.

www.nationalrail.co.uk

 

[TUC]

Selby is shut (or at least somewhere nearby is) so HT are diverting,

Engineering works: HT Selby | National Rail

No Hull Trains services via Selby from Saturday 4 to Sunday 12 January. See details of routes affected by planned engineering works, including when they take effect, alternative timetables, advice for alternative travel, including info about engineering work and why it is necessary.

www.nationalrail.co.uk

Presumably Selby station routes aren't shut in their entirety, as there is no mention of TPE or Northern being affected.

 

[ainsworth74]

Presumably Selby station routes aren't shut in their entirety, as there is no mention of TPE or Northern being affected.

Yes it's probably something going on between Selby and Temple Hirst Junction (where HT join and leave the ECML) as that would impact on HT but not TPE or Northern. Well, apart from one Northern per day that goes via Selby rather than Goole but perhaps that's been forgotten about!

 

[Peterthegreat]

Yes it's probably something going on between Selby and Temple Hirst Junction (where HT join and leave the ECML) as that would impact on HT but not TPE or Northern. Well, apart from one Northern per day that goes via Selby rather than Goole but perhaps that's been forgotten about!

So have the pair of LNER services.

 

[Western Lord]

I've never really understood why you would run a train from Doncaster to Hull via Selby in the first place. Greater distance and Goole has a larger population than Selby.

 

[zwk500]

I've never really understood why you would run a train from Doncaster to Hull via Selby in the first place. Greater distance and Goole has a larger population than Selby.

I suspect it's partly historic from when the ECML went through Selby. It's also faster speed, 125mph to Temple Hirst Jn then 75 to Selby and a mix of 75-90mph after compared to Doncaster-Hatfield being 80mph and Hatfield-Gilberdike being 70mph, which lots of lower restrictions around junctions/tight curves. I'm not sure what the overall Doncaster-Gilberdyke runtimes shake out to though.
It also gives an advantage at Doncaster where the train can take a straight-through path in both directions which uses much less capacity than needing the slow curve of the junction (particularly for Down trains which would need to cross the entire station at once).

 

[alistairlees]

I've never really understood why you would run a train from Doncaster to Hull via Selby in the first place. Greater distance and Goole has a larger population than Selby.

Better market opportunity at Selby than at Goole. There are more better off people in and around Selby.

 

[Western Lord]

I suspect it's partly historic from when the ECML went through Selby. It's also faster speed, 125mph to Temple Hirst Jn then 75 to Selby and a mix of 75-90mph after compared to Doncaster-Hatfield being 80mph and Hatfield-Gilberdike being 70mph, which lots of lower restrictions around junctions/tight curves. I'm not sure what the overall Doncaster-Gilberdyke runtimes shake out to though.
It also gives an advantage at Doncaster where the train can take a straight-through path in both directions which uses much less capacity than needing the slow curve of the junction (particularly for Down trains which would need to cross the entire station at once).

Historically Kings Cross to Hull trains ran via Goole. Selby lost it's London trains when the diversion opened, but Goole has also lost it's London services. I presume that somebody has done the sums regarding the current Hull Trains service.

 

[IanXC]

Better market opportunity at Selby than at Goole. There are more better off people in and around Selby.

Not only Selby, but Howden too, which tends to be the wealthier end of Goole in any case.

Journey time wise, with the same number of stops via Selby or via Goole take, all things being equal, the same time. Selby might be further but its also quicker.