Jubilee line overtaking Met Lines, Wembley Park to Finchley Road

[Silent]

Was this common pre-ato days? Was it common when 1983 tube stock use to be used.

I use both lines daily in this section. Maybe it’s the s time of day I travel, morning peaks. It actually seems rare that a Met line would go to the speed limit. It seems more common going northbound but not an everyday thing. I travel northbound in evenings, maybe 7-8pm.

Sometimes Jubilee Line is the faster option between Wembley Park and Finchley Road.

I was wondering why. I’m thinking because the Met Line joins other lines after Baker Street if they were faster congestion might be a daily occurrence and so maybe they go slower to prevent that? Maybe that’s why northbound seems faster more often. Though northbound is also not always fast.

Maybe it’s the consequence of having to travel at more normal tube speeds in central London that might make it more sensible to not go too fast in the outer London sections?

 

[stuu]

I used to commute on the Met until 2009, it could be incredibly slow heading south in the peak, so being overtaken by Jubilee line trains was very common. I would have hoped that ATO would have made that a lot better but clearly not. The junction at Baker St will always be a problem as soon as delays of more than a few seconds start happening

 

[EnriqueEspaña]

The met is still almost always the faster option between these stations. It is a common occurence for the jubilee to overtake the met trains temporarily, only for them to stop and the met train overtakes again. This can occur multiple times on the journey between wembley and finchley.

Another oddity is that I often see met trains overtaking chiltern trains on this stretch, only for them to catch up again

 

[ThameslinkUser]

I would have hoped that ATO would have made that a lot better but clearly not.

ATO is not in operation on this portion of the Met.

 

[Silent]

The met is still almost always the faster option between these stations. It is a common occurence for the jubilee to overtake the met trains temporarily, only for them to stop and the met train overtakes again. This can occur multiple times on the journey between wembley and finchley.

Another oddity is that I often see met trains overtaking chiltern trains on this stretch, only for them to catch up again

It’s only most likely faster if a met line is coming in less than 5 minutes.

The met is still almost always the faster option between these stations. It is a common occurence for the jubilee to overtake the met trains temporarily, only for them to stop and the met train overtakes again. This can occur multiple times on the journey between wembley and finchley.

Another oddity is that I often see met trains overtaking chiltern trains on this stretch, only for them to catch up again

Yeah it seems Chiltern slows down maybe around Willesden Green, I forgot, then speeds up again around Kilburn.

 

[stuu]

ATO is not in operation on this portion of the Met.

It covers Finchley Road-Baker St and the Baker St junction which is the key to the whole line. Perhaps it will work a bit more smoothly once ATO is live all the way to Harrow-OTH

 

[Silent]

It covers Finchley Road-Baker St and the Baker St junction which is the key to the whole line. Perhaps it will work a bit more smoothly once ATO is live all the way to Harrow-OTH

I notice between Baker Street and Finchley Road the Met line does seem faster or more consistent with speed. But I don’t think it’s faster than Jubilee line between these stations, maybe that depends on if you want to get out of station or transfer to Bakerloo line. Jubilee I think take 5-7 mins.

 

[Dstock7080]

I notice between Baker Street and Finchley Road the Met line does seem faster or more consistent with speed. But I don’t think it’s faster than Jubilee line between these stations, maybe that depends on if you want to get out of station or transfer to Bakerloo line. Jubilee I think take 5-7 mins.

southbound
MET scheduled 5¾min non-stop
Jubilee scheduled 5½min

 

[boiledbeans2]

On a related note, the District line seems equally fast between Hammersmith and Acton Town compared to the Picc. I'm often on a 73 stock which trundles along slowly, while the S stock next to us starts winning the race, only to start losing as it decelerates into a station and we lose sight of the S stock. A minute later, the S stock reappears and overtakes us again, and the cycle repeats.

 

[rebmcr]

southbound
MET scheduled 5¾min non-stop
Jubilee scheduled 5½min

I remember pre-pandemic, often on weekend evenings, overtaking multiple Jubilee line trains on this stretch. Has the schedule changed since then, or has it always been time-of-day dependent?

 

[Mojo]

I remember pre-pandemic, often on weekend evenings, overtaking multiple Jubilee line trains on this stretch. Has the schedule changed since then, or has it always been time-of-day dependent?

This refers to Finchley Rd to Baker St, where the two lines are in separate tunnels.

 

[Silent]

I remember pre-pandemic, often on weekend evenings, overtaking multiple Jubilee line trains on this stretch. Has the schedule changed since then, or has it always been time-of-day dependent?

If between Wembley Park and Finchley Road I think so because the route might be simpler on weekends and off peaks due to no fast services and more gaps between trains so less congestion I am theorising.

 

[A60stock]

The met seems slower between Finchley road and baker street since ATO took over. The trains are very slow over the cross over at swiss cottage. I am hoping there is scope to increase the journey time between this section.

Between Wembley park and Finchley road, the jubilee accelerates quicker out of Wembley due to ATO. The met is still manually operated. Once this section switches over, I expect both lines to accelerate at the same speed. Infact, I actually expect the congestion issue towards Finchley to dramatically decrease as has been the case where ATO is now I'm operation on the met shared section with the circle and h&c