Loco Hauled Passenger Services From Cleethorpes

[Fozzie]

In the 1980's I can remember traveling from Cleethorpes to Newark Northgate station were I would catch a connecting train to London Kings Cross. The train from Cleethorpes was a class 31/4 and hauled mark one corridor stock. At Newark Northgate the Class 31/4 would then be uncoupled and run round the coaching stock and couple back up to return to Cleethorpes.

I also travelled from Cleethorpes to Manchester Piccadilly behind a class 31/4 but I'm not sure about the coaching stock but at a guess it would have to have been mark 2 stock.

Does anyone happen to have any information about the 2 services like time tables and how often the services ran, spotters notes loco and coaching stock numbers, coach formations and photos.

 

[Magdalia]

The 1Hxx books are your friend here.

In the 1980's I can remember traveling from Cleethorpes to Newark Northgate station were I would catch a connecting train to London Kings Cross. The train from Cleethorpes was a class 31/4 and hauled mark one corridor stock. At Newark Northgate the Class 31/4 would then be uncoupled and run round the coaching stock and couple back up to return to Cleethorpes.

These ran from May 1982 to May 1986. There were 5 trains each way plus an early morning Lincoln-Newark and late evening Newark-Lincoln.

I also travelled from Cleethorpes to Manchester Piccadilly behind a class 31/4 but I'm not sure about the coaching stock but at a guess it would have to have been mark 2 stock.

These started in May 1984 with 4 trains per day each way, though one only running from/to Sheffield. In May 1986 they started to run through to/from Liverpool, and they ended in May 1988.

The Manchester/Liverpool trains were part of the South Pennine circuit, mainly running to/from Hull, and were there to get the locomotives into and out of Immingham for maintenance.

Your memory of the rolling stock is spot on.

 

[Rover]

coach formations

Some here

 

[Fozzie]

The 1Hxx books are your friend here.


These ran from May 1982 to May 1986. There were 5 trains each way plus an early morning Lincoln-Newark and late evening Newark-Lincoln.


These started in May 1984 with 4 trains per day each way, though one only running from/to Sheffield. In May 1986 they started to run through to/from Liverpool, and they ended in May 1988.

The Manchester/Liverpool trains were part of the South Pennine circuit, mainly running to/from Hull, and were there to get the locomotives into and out of Immingham for maintenance.

Your memory of the rolling stock is spot on.

Thankyou for your help

Some here

Thankyou that site has some very useful information

 

[Barry Mann]

The following diagrams/formations are shown in the 1984/85 Eastern Region Passenger Train Marshalling book, with corresponding Locomotive Diagrams taken from the IM Depot Locomotive Diagrams (w.e.f. 14/05/84)...

LN 152 - 2 SK, CK, BSK (MK1 VB DH)
M-S
2T04 M-S 07:30 Cleethorpes - Newark NG (09:08) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-41)
2T03 M-S 09:50 Newark NG - Cleethorpes (11:27) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-41)
2T10 M-S 13:35 Cleethorpes - Newark NG (15:12) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-41)
2T09 M-S 16:00 Newark NG - Cleethorpes (17:35) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-41)
2T16 M-S 19:03 Cleethorpes - Newark NG (20:38) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-41)
2T15 SX 21:49 Newark NG - Cleethorpes (23:28) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-41)
2T15 SO 21:49 Newark NG - Lincoln St Marks (22:12) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-41)

Sundays
2T08 SUN 12:15 Lincoln St Marks - Newark NG (12:36) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-41)
2T07 SUN 14:08 Newark NG - Cleethorpes (15:53) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-41)
2T14 SUN 16:15 Cleethorpes - Newark NG (17:50) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-41)
2T11 SUN 18:20 Newark NG - Cleethorpes (19:56) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-41)

LN 153 - 2 SK, CK, BSK (MK1 VB DH)
M-S
2T06 M-S 09:38 Cleethorpes - Newark NG (11:13) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-42)
2T05 M-S 11:50 Newark NG - Cleethorpes (13:27) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-42)
2T12 M-S 15:05 Cleethorpes - Newark NG (16:40) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-42)
2T11 M-S 18:08 Newark NG - Cleethorpes (19:45) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-42)

The Trans-Pennine services to/from Cleethorpes were as follows:

YC 200 - BSK, 3 TSO (Mk2a/b/c VB EH)
M-S
...
17:38 SX Manchester P - Cleethorpes (20:58) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-46)
17:41 SO Manchester P - Cleethorpes (20:58) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-46)

YC 201 - BSK, 3 TSO (Mk2a/b/c VB EH)
M-S
08:46 Cleethorpes - Manchester P (11:48) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-47)
...
20:15 Manchester P - Cleethorpes (23:40) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-51)

SUN
17:40 Cleethorpes - Manchester P (20:40) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-48)
...

YC 202 - BSK, 3 TSO (Mk2a/b/c VB EH)
M-S
07:37 Cleethorpes - Manchester P (10:48) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-44)
...

YC 204 - BSK, 3 TSO (Mk2a/b/c VB EH)
SUN* (*14/05/84 - 28/10/84)
...
18:20 Manchester P - Cleethorpes (21:25) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-51)


YC 205 - BSK, 3 TSO (Mk2a/b/c VB EH)
M-S
...
13:50 Sheffield - Cleethorpes (15:51) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-48)
17:30 Cleethorpes - Sheffield (19:47) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-48)
...
SUN* (* from 04/11/84)
...
18:20 Manchester P - Cleethorpes (21:25) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-51)

YC 206 - BSK, 3 TSO (Mk2a/b/c VB EH)
M-S
...
08:41 Manchester P - Cleethorpes (11:57) (11:41 SO* until 29/09/84) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-46)
12:43 Cleethorpes - Manchester P (15:48) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-46)
...

I hope that is helpful.

Barry

 

[Fozzie]

The following diagrams/formations are shown in the 1984/85 Eastern Region Passenger Train Marshalling book, with corresponding Locomotive Diagrams taken from the IM Depot Locomotive Diagrams (w.e.f. 14/05/84)...

LN 152 - 2 SK, CK, BSK (MK1 VB DH)
M-S
2T04 M-S 07:30 Cleethorpes - Newark NG (09:08) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-41)
2T03 M-S 09:50 Newark NG - Cleethorpes (11:27) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-41)
2T10 M-S 13:35 Cleethorpes - Newark NG (15:12) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-41)
2T09 M-S 16:00 Newark NG - Cleethorpes (17:35) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-41)
2T16 M-S 19:03 Cleethorpes - Newark NG (20:38) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-41)
2T15 SX 21:49 Newark NG - Cleethorpes (23:28) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-41)
2T15 SO 21:49 Newark NG - Lincoln St Marks (22:12) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-41)

Sundays
2T08 SUN 12:15 Lincoln St Marks - Newark NG (12:36) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-41)
2T07 SUN 14:08 Newark NG - Cleethorpes (15:53) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-41)
2T14 SUN 16:15 Cleethorpes - Newark NG (17:50) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-41)
2T11 SUN 18:20 Newark NG - Cleethorpes (19:56) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-41)

LN 153 - 2 SK, CK, BSK (MK1 VB DH)
M-S
2T06 M-S 09:38 Cleethorpes - Newark NG (11:13) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-42)
2T05 M-S 11:50 Newark NG - Cleethorpes (13:27) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-42)
2T12 M-S 15:05 Cleethorpes - Newark NG (16:40) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-42)
2T11 M-S 18:08 Newark NG - Cleethorpes (19:45) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-42)

The Trans-Pennine services to/from Cleethorpes were as follows:

YC 200 - BSK, 3 TSO (Mk2a/b/c VB EH)
M-S
...
17:38 SX Manchester P - Cleethorpes (20:58) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-46)
17:41 SO Manchester P - Cleethorpes (20:58) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-46)

YC 201 - BSK, 3 TSO (Mk2a/b/c VB EH)
M-S
08:46 Cleethorpes - Manchester P (11:48) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-47)
...
20:15 Manchester P - Cleethorpes (23:40) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-51)

SUN
17:40 Cleethorpes - Manchester P (20:40) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-48)
...

YC 202 - BSK, 3 TSO (Mk2a/b/c VB EH)
M-S
07:37 Cleethorpes - Manchester P (10:48) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-44)
...

YC 204 - BSK, 3 TSO (Mk2a/b/c VB EH)
SUN* (*14/05/84 - 28/10/84)
...
18:20 Manchester P - Cleethorpes (21:25) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-51)


YC 205 - BSK, 3 TSO (Mk2a/b/c VB EH)
M-S
...
13:50 Sheffield - Cleethorpes (15:51) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-48)
17:30 Cleethorpes - Sheffield (19:47) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-48)
...
SUN* (* from 04/11/84)
...
18:20 Manchester P - Cleethorpes (21:25) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-51)

YC 206 - BSK, 3 TSO (Mk2a/b/c VB EH)
M-S
...
08:41 Manchester P - Cleethorpes (11:57) (11:41 SO* until 29/09/84) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-46)
12:43 Cleethorpes - Manchester P (15:48) - 31/4 (Diagram IM-46)
...

I hope that is helpful.

Barry

Thankyou

 

[55002]

I think they started on 17th May 1982, 31418 was on first train out of Northgate Which Connected into 1A00 0615 York to Kings Cross, and out of the 1L41 0545 Kings Cross to York, 0725 arrival in from Kings Cross. They always Used to be a 31/4 and 4 coaches. Had many a trip on the run round. the 150s arrived in August 1985 and they took over later on, I’m not sure if that was from October 1985 or I just stopped recording them from then, which seems unlikely.

I do have 37153 on 2T16 1920 Cleethorpes to Newark and 2149 return on 7th Sept 1985.

The last ever scheduled through “Inter City” loco hauled train from Kings Cross was on 2nd October 1982 when 47526 worked 1D06 1708 from Kings Cross. The first HST on 1D06 was 43159/060 on 4th October 1982

 

[Fozzie]

I think they started on 17th May 1982, 31418 was on first train out of Northgate Which Connected into 1A00 0615 York to Kings Cross, and out of the 1L41 0545 Kings Cross to York, 0725 arrival in from Kings Cross. They always Used to be a 31/4 and 4 coaches. Had many a trip on the run round. the 150s arrived in August 1985 and they took over later on, I’m not sure if that was from October 1985 or I just stopped recording them from then, which seems unlikely.

I do have 37153 on 2T16 1920 Cleethorpes to Newark and 2149 return on 7th Sept 1985.

The last ever scheduled through “Inter City” loco hauled train from Kings Cross was on 2nd October 1982 when 47526 worked 1D06 1708 from Kings Cross. The first HST on 1D06 was 43159/060 on 4th October 1982

I remember catching the HST's in the 1980's from Grimsby when I used to stay in London with my parents in the summer holidays. I dont think I ever caught a direct loco hauled train to London to my knowledge.

Thanks for the help