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London Euston-Northampton then Northampton-Birmingham New Street

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JoeGJ1984

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There are some occasions where there is a service from London Euston to Northampton and then a service from Northampton to Birmingham New Street. On Mondays to Fridays there is 1913 London Euston - 2011 Northampton and 2016 Northampton - 2116 Birmingham New Street. Would these two services use the same physical train? Would they announce it if they do? Or would I actually have to change trains there? (I'm thinking of using this service on Friday). Why don't they just make it one through train and advertise it as such? Another thread said that in a similar instance they are normally run by the same unit.

One other thing: monitors have an annoying habit of listing the incoming train as a terminator and then the next train as a train leaving the platform when they are actually the same train,which means you can't see the stopping pattern as they only list that for the first train shown. If I see the CIS say that the train to Birmingham New Street leaves from the same platform, but with the train terminating from London Euston that I arrived on shown first, am I safe assuming that it will be the same train? (There's only about 5 minutes connection time).

Does anybody have experience with these trains?
 
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I believe this particular service is a physical change of train. There are a few direct services which consist of 8 cars, with a split at NMP and the first 4 cars going on to BHM. If you give London Midland a call though, they're sure to know the answer.
 

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I don't see why they can't run both of these trains with one unit and bill it as a through train.
 

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The stock may be required to go back to Euston. I would advise sitting in the rearmost coach of the EUS-NMP service - you'll be nearer the stairs that way! The 1849 is a through train though - maybe take that service, unless you're on a restricted ticket?

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I don't see why they can't run both of these trains with one unit and bill it as a through train.

It is probably a Moderation of Competition problem, thinking about it. If it came up as a Birmingham service at Euston those nice people from Virgin would probably be straight on the phone to their 'learned friends'. What possibly happens is that services that have always been advertised as through service are OK, but they can't add any extras.

I believe Virgin's franchise requires them to object to this sort of thing - but only until next April, thankfully...
 
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