London Zones 1-6 - A Question

[HMS Ark Royal]

I have tried directly asking TFL as well as some people who live there, but they can't answer my question, so I thought I would ask you mighty sages of Ticketing Information...

Normally, I spend my time in London whizzing through on the Underground killing time until I can do the Kensington Olympia shuttles - a secret pleasure of mine... However, after recently using the Zone 1-6 to make a few trips on the buses I wondered if the same travelcard is valid on Thameslink services as well?

If it is, then I'm going to pass through the old Kings Cross station a few times...!

 

[bb21]

A Travelcard is valid on all modes within the relevant zones, with the exception of SouthEastern High Speed, Heathrow Express, and Heathrow Connect between Heathrow and Hayes & Harlington.

Thameslink is absolutely fine.

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

A Travelcard is valid on all modes within the relevant zones, with the exception of SouthEastern High Speed, Heathrow Express, and Heathrow Connect between Heathrow and Hayes & Harlington.

Thameslink is absolutely fine.

Ah, thanks...

I was trying to look it up online, but it made no mention of Thameslink being a valid part of the travelcards area - even TFL couldn't help me, but I thought somebody here would be able to. Guess all I have to do now is tick off that and make a journey on the Tram that and make a trip report.

 

[AM9]

I have tried directly asking TFL as well as some people who live there, but they can't answer my question, so I thought I would ask you mighty sages of Ticketing Information...

Here is a map which shows the Zone 6 limits over which travel cards are valid, (less the Heathrow and SE High Speed exceptions that bb21 mentiones below:

https://tfl.gov.uk/maps/track

Normally, I spend my time in London whizzing through on the Underground killing time until I can do the Kensington Olympia shuttles - a secret pleasure of mine... However, after recently using the Zone 1-6 to make a few trips on the buses I wondered if the same travelcard is valid on Thameslink services as well?

If it is, then I'm going to pass through the old Kings Cross station a few times...!

There used to be a London Travelcard which covered LU services and all 'red' buses in the Greater London Area. I believe that is now sold as an Oyster Travelcard which includes LU trains, Buses, Overground and DLR.

The Zone 1-6 Travelcard includes Thameslink from Elstree & Borehamwood, Hadley Wood and Crews Hill in the north to Easth Croydon, and St Mary's Cray in the south as well as all of the Sutton loop.

There's not much to see when passing trough the TL Kings Cross station. Several pieces of signalling equipment have now been mounted on the platform. Similarly, at Farringdon, you can't see anything of the Moorgate branch as the platforms extend right up to Smithfield Tunnel.

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

Here is a map which shows the Zone 6 limits over which travel cards are valid, (less the Heathrow and SE High Speed exceptions that bb21 mentiones below:

https://tfl.gov.uk/maps/track



There used to be a London Travelcard which covered LU services and all 'red' buses in the Greater London Area. I believe that is now sold as an Oyster Travelcard which includes LU trains, Buses, Overground and DLR.

The Zone 1-6 Travelcard includes Thameslink from Elstree & Borehamwood, Hadley Wood and Crews Hill in the north to Easth Croydon, and St Mary's Cray in the south as well as all of the Sutton loop.

There's not much to see when passing trough the TL Kings Cross station. Several pieces of signalling equipment have now been mounted on the platform. Similarly, at Farringdon, you can't see anything of the Moorgate branch as the platforms extend right up to Smithfield Tunnel.

Thanks...

Do you mean the ones the LU trains pass through or the one on Pentonville Road?

I wouldn't know about the Oyster card, I think of that as the work of Satan himself, but I know that my LU issued Zone 1-6 travelcard works on buses simply by showing it to the driver - or conductor if on the 15H.

 

[matt_world2004]

Here is a map which shows the Zone 6 limits over which travel cards are valid, (less the Heathrow and SE High Speed exceptions that bb21 mentiones below:

https://tfl.gov.uk/maps/track



There used to be a London Travelcard which covered LU services and all 'red' buses in the Greater London Area. I believe that is now sold as an Oyster Travelcard which includes LU trains, Buses, Overground and DLR.

The Zone 1-6 Travelcard includes Thameslink from Elstree & Borehamwood, Hadley Wood and Crews Hill in the north to Easth Croydon, and St Mary's Cray in the south as well as all of the Sutton loop.

There's not much to see when passing trough the TL Kings Cross station. Several pieces of signalling equipment have now been mounted on the platform. Similarly, at Farringdon, you can't see anything of the Moorgate branch as the platforms extend right up to Smithfield Tunnel.

No All oyster travelcards are valid on non TfL Services execept the high speeds and Heathrow Connects in the travelcard area, Even Oyster. There are some TfL Services only tickets like the Veterans card. However a travelcard is valid on all services.
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Thanks...

Do you mean the ones the LU trains pass through or the one on Pentonville Road?

I wouldn't know about the Oyster card, I think of that as the work of Satan himself, but I know that my LU issued Zone 1-6 travelcard works on buses simply by showing it to the driver - or conductor if on the 15H.

Is you LU issued travelcard, an travelcard you have got for working for LU or one that you purchased from a ticket office/Machine? because if it is a staff or contractor ticket the rules will be different than a purchased one.

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

or one that you purchased from a ticket office/Machine?

That one

 

[yorkie]

There used to be a London Travelcard which covered LU services and all 'red' buses in the Greater London Area. I believe that is now sold as an Oyster Travelcard which includes LU trains, Buses, Overground and DLR.

You're confused. Forget the separate Capitalcard/Travelcard products for BR/LT until some time in the 1980s. This is causing confusion where there need not be any.

You can't get a Travelcard loaded onto Oyster for anything less than 7 days. For a day trip a Travelcard can be issued on paper.
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Is you LU issued travelcard, an travelcard you have got for working for LU or one that you purchased from a ticket office/Machine? because if it is a staff or contractor ticket the rules will be different than a purchased one.

A Travelcard (wherever it is issued) is a Travelcard. A staff pass is a quite different matter and not applicable here.

 

[davetheguard]

Ah, thanks...

I was trying to look it up online, but it made no mention of Thameslink being a valid part of the travelcards area - even TFL couldn't help me, but I thought somebody here would be able to. Guess all I have to do now is tick off that and make a journey on the Tram that and make a trip report.

And if you fancy even more variety, you could have a trip on Southern, South West Trains, Great Western, London Midland, c2c, or any other Train Operating Company within the London 1-6 zone boundary - and all on your Travelcard.

The small amount of exceptions have already been mentioned South Eastern HighSpeed etc.

However in addition, I presume you know you can also use a Travelcard to explore the rather brilliant Dockland Light Railway system; and while in East London you can even show your Travelcard to get a one-third discount on the Thames Clipper fast catamarans that run down the Thames to Greenwich and Woolwich two or three times an hour.......

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

And if you fancy even more variety, you could have a trip on Southern, South West Trains, Great Western, London Midland, c2c, or any other Train Operating Company within the London 1-6 zone boundary - and all on your Travelcard.

The small amount of exceptions have already been mentioned South Eastern HighSpeed etc.

However in addition, I presume you know you can also use a Travelcard to explore the rather brilliant Dockland Light Railway system; and while in East London you can even show your Travelcard to get a one-third discount on the Thames Clipper fast catamarans that run down the Thames to Greenwich and Woolwich two or three times an hour.......

Oh, I indeed know about being able to use them on the DLR and the clippers - I didn't know that it applied to any journey via a national rail service inside 1-6, although I did use it once on a brief service on the Overground.

 

[matt_world2004]

. A staff pass is a quite different matter and not applicable here.

I know I have seen some people refer to the staff pass as an LU only travelcard. Including on some job vacancies. That is why I asked.

 

[Wookiee]

However in addition, I presume you know you can also use a Travelcard to explore the rather brilliant Dockland Light Railway system; and while in East London you can even show your Travelcard to get a one-third discount on the Thames Clipper fast catamarans that run down the Thames to Greenwich and Woolwich two or three times an hour.......

Does anyone know if it is strictly only TFL Travelcards that will gain the discount on the Thames Clippers or if one bought from a National Rail station also qualifies?

 

[Hadders]

Any travelcard will do. I've used a Stevenage-London Zones 1-6 many times to get a discount.

 

[Wookiee]

Any travelcard will do. I've used a Stevenage-London Zones 1-6 many times to get a discount.

Cool. Cheers fella.

 

[Deerfold]

I have tried directly asking TFL as well as some people who live there, but they can't answer my question, so I thought I would ask you mighty sages of Ticketing Information...

How did you contact TfL? This should be a basic question for them (though I understand it may not be for someone previously unfamiliar with the ticket).

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

Through twitter

 

[Deerfold]

Through twitter

That really is shocking. Up to you, but I'd e-mail TfL to complain as that's dreadful.

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

Just as a sort of bump and to double check... Zone 1-6 travelcard is okay for services between stations on NR - might try clearing all the London terminals on my trip to London on Saturday

 

[Hadders]

Valid on Trains, Underground and Buses in Zones 1-6. There are a couple of exceptions like HS1 services and Heathrow Express.

Enjoy!

 

[Clip]

Just as a sort of bump and to double check... Zone 1-6 travelcard is okay for services between stations on NR - might try clearing all the London terminals on my trip to London on Saturday

yes as BB21 told you in post 2. Everything inside the zonal map apart from the exceptions. I know ticketing is hard in the UK but this is the most simple one every. Buy a travelcard and man can travel.

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

Valid on Trains, Underground and Buses in Zones 1-6. There are a couple of exceptions like HS1 services and Heathrow Express.

Enjoy!

yes as BB21 told you in post 2. Everything inside the zonal map apart from the exceptions. I know ticketing is hard in the UK but this is the most simple one every. Buy a travelcard and man can travel.

Just double checking...

My plan is to do the terminals, make my customary trip to Olympia and do all of the terminals I have never visited before. I plan to do from St Pancras to Stratford just to say i have tried to 395s seeing as I have heard all about them...

Can anybody suggest some services to try out, just quick ones

 

[MikeWh]

I plan to do from St Pancras to Stratford just to say i have tried to 395s seeing as I have heard all about them...

You'll need an extra ticket for that. Or you could use your contactless payment card. You don't have an Oyster, do you?

 

[crehld]

Just double checking...

My plan is to do the terminals, make my customary trip to Olympia and do all of the terminals I have never visited before. I plan to do from St Pancras to Stratford just to say i have tried to 395s seeing as I have heard all about them...

Can anybody suggest some services to try out, just quick ones

As per bb21's post in post 2, you cannot use a travelcard on the South Eastern high speed services between St Pancras and Stratford International. You'll need an additional ticket / Oyster.

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

I know that - booked a ticket to do that little segment already.

Might try to do the Paddington to West Ruslip "ghost train" as that appears to be valid on the card.

And no... I do not have an oyster as it is too much for the sort of things I do

 

[Nippy]

That only runs M-F.

 

[Clip]

Just double checking...

My plan is to do the terminals, make my customary trip to Olympia and do all of the terminals I have never visited before. I plan to do from St Pancras to Stratford just to say i have tried to 395s seeing as I have heard all about them...

Can anybody suggest some services to try out, just quick ones

Where are you starting from then(which terminal will you arrive at) and maybe we can help you plan it a little better.

 

[crehld]

Can anybody suggest some services to try out, just quick ones

It really depends what you're after and want to achieve. For example are you after a variety of traction? Interesting / rare routes?

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

Where are you starting from then(which terminal will you arrive at) and maybe we can help you plan it a little better.

It really depends what you're after and want to achieve. For example are you after a variety of traction? Interesting / rare routes?

Yeah, should have really said...

Just a few unusual odd routes that are within the 1-6 boundary. I have a few things planned such as a trip up to Kensington Olympia and to Embankment...

Also, anything that gives rare traction

 

[lightbulb]

As per bb21's post in post 2, you cannot use a travelcard on the South Eastern high speed services between St Pancras and Stratford International. You'll need an additional ticket / Oyster.

You can use a travelcard on the South Eastern high speed services between St Pancras and Stratford International if it is specifically routed "Plus High Speed". These are available from Dartford at £20.10 off peak (£13.25 with a railcard):

http://www.brfares.com/#expert?orig=DFD&dest=0035

Although you could buy a "normal" travelcard for £12.10 (£8.00 r/card) and a Super OffPeak Return between St Pancras and Stratford International for £7.70 (£5.10 r/card), the travelcard from Dartford plus High Speed would give unlimited travel between STP and SFA.

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

You can use a travelcard on the South Eastern high speed services between St Pancras and Stratford International if it is specifically routed "Plus High Speed". These are available from Dartford at £20.10 off peak (£13.25 with a railcard):

http://www.brfares.com/#expert?orig=DFD&dest=0035

Although you could buy a "normal" travelcard for £12.10 (£8.00 r/card) and a Super OffPeak Return between St Pancras and Stratford International for £7.70 (£5.10 r/card), the travelcard from Dartford plus High Speed would give unlimited travel between STP and SFA.

Hmm... A normal travelcard you say? I might do that or simply do what I am used to and just pre-book a ticket to STP from SFA so I can say I have been on it