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Luton (Crescent road) aggregates ceased ?

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D7666

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Luton (Crescent road) aggregates ceased ?

No trains seen by me in May - my home overlooks Crescent Road road and Crescent Road rail sidings. The "virtual quarry" has gone, levelled to ground level, wheres it was quite high in April, and RTT has no trains - by any FOC - in there as far as the available past days archives go.

Has these flows ceased, or is this just a lull ?
 
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Luton (Crescent road) aggregates ceased ?

No trains seen by me in May - my home overlooks Crescent Road road and Crescent Road rail sidings. The "virtual quarry" has gone, levelled to ground level, wheres it was quite high in April, and RTT has no trains - by any FOC - in there as far as the available past days archives go.

Has these flows ceased, or is this just a lull ?
Perhaps a lull


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Luton (Crescent road) aggregates ceased ?

No trains seen by me in May - my home overlooks Crescent Road road and Crescent Road rail sidings. The "virtual quarry" has gone, levelled to ground level, wheres it was quite high in April, and RTT has no trains - by any FOC - in there as far as the available past days archives go.

Has these flows ceased, or is this just a lull ?

@Supercoss may know.
 

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There are ebbs and flows. No doubt when the Power Court football stadium gets underway that the proximity of the siding will come into play.
 

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There has, to my mind, been a significant increase in the use of Limbury Road Sidings (between Luton & Leagrave) for aggregate deliveries in recent weeks. There is significantly more aggregate there than I've seen previously, with plenty of lorry movements going on in the mornings when I pass by. Whether that is related to the current reduction in use at Crescent Road I have no idea.
 

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The most recent Railway Track Diagrams book (2022) has Crescent Road noted as "Tarmac" and Limbury Road noted as "Breedon". So it's possible that which set of sidings is used depends on who the aggregate supplier is.
 

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The most recent Railway Track Diagrams book (2022) has Crescent Road noted as "Tarmac" and Limbury Road noted as "Breedon". So it's possible that which set of sidings is used depends on who the aggregate supplier is.

Yes, Crescent Road has been in use by Tarmac. Back in February / March I noticed it had DB-hauled trains from Mountsorrel while Freightliner were operating from Tunstead. The site isn't listed on the Tarmac website as one of their aggregate depots, which makes me think it may be used as a sort of "campaign" railhead to bring in stone for specific local projects. I suspect trains would start running again at some point.

Limbury Road is used by Breedon (trains from Dowlow) and Cemex (trains from Peak Forest). Both companies have ready-mixed concrete plants nearby.

This is a swap of how things used to be - Limbury Road received trains from Angerstein for "Tarmac Topmix" (i.e. Tarmac's ready mixed concrete division) while Crescent Road was the Luton Cemex depot. When Tarmac merged with Lafarge they had to sell some parts of the business for competition reasons, and I think the Topmix part ended up with "Hope Construction Materials." Breedon then bought Hope so must have ended up with the concrete plant at Limbury Road.

Meanwhile Cemex transferred their terminal from Crescent Road to Limbury Road. I found this snippet of news from April 2019 presumably relating to alterations at the Limbury Road site:

Today the first DB Cargo train arrived into CEMEX’ new railhead at Luton. We were initially asked in March 2018 to produce an outline design to assist the contractor Pearsons Engineering, but this soon expanded in scope to cover the entire design approval process with Network Rail. Working with all the parties, we brought in Trust Rail Solutions to produce a topographic survey of the site and a series of detailed drawings and supporting documentation. Works were undertaken during early 2019, the new railhead now operational and receiving aggregates.

I'm not sure who actually owns the terminals (I suspect Network Rail) but Limbury Road functions as a single DB terminal for Luton serving both Cemex and Breedon.

Picture of Limbury Road in 2019 before trains stopped running from Angerstein Wharf: https://www.flickr.com/photos/sparkiesphotos/49170144868
The same working back in 1998 at Factory Junction with a pair of Cromptons and the old "Marcon" wagons: https://www.flickr.com/photos/75892080@N06/7067357107/

Although Tarmac no longer serve Limbury Road, they have since started running some Angerstein - Elstow services.

Picture of 66082 departing Crescent Road with 6H74 to Peak Forest, before Cemex switched to using Limbury Road: https://www.flickr.com/photos/andy_hoare/47411640392/
 

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Longer trains can serve Limbury Road , Crescent Road was programmed to have the mechanical ground frame replaced by “ electric switch panel” ( push button ground frame) to allow longer formations to set back off up slow following renewal of ironwork, but this has not taken place so lots of splitting wagons to unload which results in some interesting moves with loco ending up sandwiched between wagons due to the restriction in length of the head shunt
Limbury is up to load 26 now on most arrivals.
 

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There are ebbs and flows. No doubt when the Power Court football stadium gets underway that the proximity of the siding will come into play.
Power Court will require very very little in the way of the sort of material that is delivered - or has so far been delivered - to Crescent Road. That does not rule out Crescent Road being so used for traffic, but it won't be the same traffic. Power Court is a building requiring steel, concrete and maybe bricks; Crescent Road is primarily aggregate for road and similar construction - Power Court site is already cleared, and road access is already in place including some of the internals. I can't see that any road works there will require more than a couple of load dumps of 8x4 road trucks. It might need a lot of cement, but if that comes by rail that needs kit that ain't there at the moment.

Longer trains can serve Limbury Road , Crescent Road was programmed to have the mechanical ground frame replaced by “ electric switch panel” ( push button ground frame) to allow longer formations to set back off up slow following renewal of ironwork, but this has not taken place so lots of splitting wagons to unload which results in some interesting moves with loco ending up sandwiched between wagons due to the restriction in length of the head shunt
Limbury is up to load 26 now on most arrivals.
Thanks!

I was wondering what had happened to the GF replacement - ISTR you mentioned it once a while back on a certain other forum.

The shunting with loco mid train is something I often saw from my flat.

Yes, Crescent Road has been in use by Tarmac. Back in February / March I noticed it had DB-hauled trains from Mountsorrel while Freightliner were operating from Tunstead.
For as long as the respective FOCs have delivered to Crescent Road there has been a good mix of DB and FL, and both come and go in phases and GBRF too at times (although with the latter if there were 66s on hire(???) from GBRF then they might not have been GBRF operated trains).

Looking at the constantly changing virtual quarry piles over the years, it has been different aggregate presumably for different works for different civils contracts which in turn implies from different quarries, and not limited to stone, there used to be a lot of sand to, and no doubt each flow is bid / won / lost by each FOC.

Certainly constant never changing flow it is not.


Am I right reading upthread suggested Crescent had cement traffic ? Overlooking the sdgs I can't remember ever seeing cement wagons or cement loads or, in the road, road trucks with cement to/from the yard.





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When I first moved here, Crescent Road rail traffic was carflats and a single 25. We then had a phase of recessing engineers ballast trains for several days at a time, with 2x20 the usual power.

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I've also remembered now we had Redland self discharge trains too - did these always operate from Mountsorrel or did they load them at other quarries too. Not too sure of the full story, but Luton BC had a hand in at least asking the self discharge train not to be used in Crescent Road yard as it generated one significant amount of dust in turn complaints. Before any one posts it, when those trains ceased here, this was way way before the incident that cause those trains withdrawal, they must have ceased using Crescent Road 4-5 or maybe more years before that.
 
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Rumour at work is this is to become a larger sidings facility for 700’s.
 

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Not quite true, but the owner GRS Bagging ( Tarmac) Are actively looking to offer the sidings to store rolling stock whilst not in use for Aggregates.
The ‘self derailing train’ was prohibited from site eventually after two successive derailments when the empty wagons wanted to run straight around curves , a check rail was installed but this made no difference.
Many months Later it was discovered that the bar couplings between wagons couldn’t fully swing side to side as stone dust off conveyor belts contaminated coupler so instead of swinging 9 o’clock to 3 o’clock The actual swing was less than 11 o’clock to 1 oclock comparing to clock face , not a problem when loaded but when empty too much hard stone dust in drawbar ‘pocket’
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Not quite true, but the owner GRS Bagging ( Tarmac) Are actively looking to offer the sidings to store rolling stock whilst not in use for Aggregates.
The ‘self derailing train’ was prohibited from site eventually after two successive derailments when the empty wagons wanted to run straight around curves , a check rail was installed but this made no difference.
Many months Later it was discovered that the bar couplings between wagons couldn’t fully swing side to side as stone dust off conveyor belts contaminated coupler so instead of swinging 9 o’clock to 3 o’clock The actual swing was less than 11 o’clock to 1 oclock comparing to clock face , not a problem when loaded but when empty too much hard stone dust in drawbar ‘pocket’
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Plenty of stone in there and some wagons there for the evening when I headed out the yard
 

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Train heading for Crescent Road now has just passed the Chesterfield Railcam with 66619 “Derek W Johnson” providing the power.


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