Manchester Airport

[Masbroughlad]

Have loco hauled passenger services ever made it to Manchester Airport?

Did HSTs ever start/finish there?

 

[merlodlliw]

Have loco hauled passenger services ever made it to Manchester Airport?

Did HSTs ever start/finish there?

If the current WG thinking goes ahead plus if WG still run the Wales & Borders service to Manchester, in a few years you may well see HSTs at Ringway.

 

[Masbroughlad]

What's that all about then?

 

[DarloRich]

If the current WG thinking goes ahead plus if WG still run the Wales & Borders service to Manchester, in a few years you may well see HSTs at Ringway.

are you able to provide a link to any documentary support? This is of interest!

 

[merlodlliw]

This was covered in the Cambrian section, in Brief Prof Cole in charge of transport studies at the Uni of Glamorgan and main Rail consultant to Welsh Government informed a meeting at Newtown(Powys),after South Wales electrification WG are seriously looking at using surplus HSTs for the Cardiff/Holyhead & Manchester/Cardiff routes,if this occurs North Wales/Chester/piccadilly/Airport could also see HSTs to alleviate chronic overcrowding.

If this ever occurs is up to speculation,who knows,its also in Prof Coles 20 odd page submission to the Wales & Borders WG Committee, however using Manchester Airport with HSTs is my opinion.

 

[northwichcat]

I'm under the impression TPE have used a hired in HST on Manchester Airport to North East services when there's been race meets at York, although not for a few years now.
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This was covered in the Cambrian section, in Brief Prof Cole in charge of transport studies at the Uni of Glamorgan and main Rail consultant to Welsh Government informed a meeting at Newtown(Powys),after South Wales electrification WG are seriously looking at using surplus HSTs for the Cardiff/Holyhead & Manchester/Cardiff routes,if this occurs North Wales/Chester/piccadilly/Airport could also see HSTs to alleviate chronic overcrowding.

The Northern Hub plans involve using DMUs released by electrification to extend an hourly Calder Vale service to Warrington Bank Quay/Chester and if it's to Chester to existing North Wales to Manchester service will omit Helsby and Frodsham during the off-peak and be extended to Manchester Airport all day. So I'm not sure the existing Manchester to North Wales service will still have overcrowding issues if that goes ahead.

 

[swt_passenger]

If the current WG thinking goes ahead plus if WG still run the Wales & Borders service to Manchester, in a few years you may well see HSTs at Ringway.

The question wasn't about what might happen one day, it was about what had happened in the past. Well done for going off at a complete tangent in only the first reply... :roll:

 

[Joseph_Locke]

Have loco hauled passenger services ever made it to Manchester Airport?

Did HSTs ever start/finish there?

I don't whether they actually did, but they would had to have been short HST / DVT formations, as the platforms have only ever been 8-car length.

 

[pablo]

I was there, building T2, when the station was built. In the beginning it was a low-key short two-platform affair not expected to take a great deal of traffic. But as traffic developed, it had to be accommodated by doubling-up units against each platform. All MUs; never saw anything more exotic whilst I was there. I believe the station is now being extended to take bigger thingys.

 

[Joseph_Locke]

I was there, building T2, when the station was built. In the beginning it was a low-key short two-platform affair not expected to take a great deal of traffic. But as traffic developed, it had to be accommodated by doubling-up units against each platform. All MUs; never saw anything more exotic whilst I was there. I believe the station is now being extended to take bigger thingys.

Platform lengthening is catered for in the current Northern Hub works but not required yet; passive provision.

 

[RochdalePioneers]

Have definitely seen a short formed HST vice 158 on a Virgin service to Edinburgh.

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[merlodlliw]

The question wasn't about what might happen one day, it was about what had happened in the past. Well done for going off at a complete tangent in only the first reply... :roll:

You are of course correct,but my comment was in good faith to the op.
Thank you most sincerely for pointing this out to me.

 

[Viscount702]

Platform lengthening is catered for in the current Northern Hub works but not required yet; passive provision.

Wouldn't it make sense to provide for more than 8 car length when building P4 in case it is required at some point which it maybe. Mind you with ORR wanting cuts and the Hub,maybe not in whole but nonetheless under threat money is no doubt the issue as always

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Wouldn't it make sense to provide for more than 8 car length when building P4 in case it is required at some point which it maybe. Mind you with ORR wanting cuts and the Hub,maybe not in whole but nonetheless under threat money is no doubt the issue as always

I have heard that the heavy rail platform 4 will also have the other platform face used for the Manchester Metrolink terminal station, with a fence up the middle to keep passengers seperate.

Can someone with official knowledge confirm how matters will be.

 

[Dunc108]

Have definitely seen a short formed HST vice 158 on a Virgin service to Edinburgh.

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Yes ive seen a HST pictured a good few years ago, it was very short formed, 2 coaches long! Can't see them being here on a regular basis anytime soon sadly except for Charters perhaps ... a shame they would have been great for Manchester - Scotland pre-electrification & far superior to a 185!

 

[Viscount702]

I have heard that the heavy rail platform 4 will also have the other platform face used for the Manchester Metrolink terminal station, with a fence up the middle to keep passengers seperate.

Can someone with official knowledge confirm how matters will be.

Paul I don't think there is anything yet in the public domain as to how it will be but what you describe is what has been posted previously as to how it will be

 

[thenorthern]

I know for a while Virgin Trains used the station but I think it was only Class 158s that used the station and not HSTs, seems ages ago now.

I know that my Uncle designed the original station, I should ask him what the specifications for it were.

 

[Darren R]

Would not the NMT have visited a few times? Or does that not count as a 'proper' HST?

 

[Ploughman]

Maybe the 150 unit is used instead.

 

[Geeves]

We managed to catch it coming back from the Lakes around this time, great acceleration!!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/47118s-pixs/5359187587/

 

[thenorthern]

If I remember correctly there used to be a Manchester Airport to Cleethorpes train that ran through Derby, although run by a Class 153 at 170 miles it was very long journey.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

If I remember correctly there used to be a Manchester Airport to Cleethorpes train that ran through Derby, although run by a Class 153 at 170 miles it was very long journey.

A Class 153 would indeed be a most unsuitable unit for a journey of this length, speaking as one who made the Manchester Airport to Cleethorpes journey in a Class 185 last Saturday.

 

[tom1649]

A Class 153 would indeed be a most unsuitable unit for a journey of this length, speaking as one who made the Manchester Airport to Cleethorpes journey in a Class 185 last Saturday.

Totally unsuitable I agree. In fact I travelled on a Skegness - Manchester Airport train which was also a 153. Passengers were left behind at Stoke-on-Trent and people were standing all the way from Derby. Combine that with all the luggage bound for the airport and it wasn't a pleasant experience.

 

[northwichcat]

Totally unsuitable I agree. In fact I travelled on a Skegness - Manchester Airport train which was also a 153. Passengers were left behind at Stoke-on-Trent and people were standing all the way from Derby. Combine that with all the luggage bound for the airport and it wasn't a pleasant experience.

It was axed by the SRA due to 'low usage' though: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2663117.stm

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

It was axed by the SRA due to 'low usage' though: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2663117.stm

Putting Class 153 units on services from Manchester Airport to both Skegness and to Cleethorpes was a sure-fire way of ensuring "low usage" and betrayed a rather poor TOC view of using the correct type of rolling stock for these types of services in those days...:roll:

 

[Starmill]

Paul I don't think there is anything yet in the public domain as to how it will be but what you describe is what has been posted previously as to how it will be

I take it its still the situation then that despite the eminent construction underway at Manchester Airport... nobody really knows what it will look like when finished!

 

[thenorthern]

I never understood why the Central Trains didn't call at Wilmslow but Virgin Trains did. I think low usage was one thing but punctuality was a major problem. To do the Manchester Airport to Skegness train its now 4 train journeys,

 

[YorkshireBear]

I never understood why the Central Trains didn't call at Wilmslow but Virgin Trains did. I think low usage was one thing but punctuality was a major problem. To do the Manchester Airport to Skegness train its now 4 train journeys,

3... Man Airport to Man Pic, Man Pic to Nottingham and Nottingham to Skegness.

 

[thenorthern]

3... Man Airport to Man Pic, Man Pic to Nottingham and Nottingham to Skegness.

Fair point National Rail recommends going Manchester Airport-Doncaster-Grantham-Skegness.

I read that Stoke-on-Trent City Council wants East Midlands Trains reintroduce the trains to give the city a direct link to Manchester Airport, I doubt they will.

Manchester Airport to Skegness always seemed an odd combination of termini to me. I wouldn't want to be the announcer having to say the 34 stops though.

 

[northwichcat]

I think low usage was one thing but punctuality was a major problem.

Poor punctuality was a problem on numerous Central routes which is why a lot of them got chopped up in to shorter routes.