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May 2025 possible timetable changes

A S Leib

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Only three days into a new timetable, but which timetable changes might happen between May and December 2025 which have not yet been confirmed?

As a start, there's the opening of the remaining Northumberland line stations (apart from Newsham, hopefully opening before May).
 
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I wonder if Southern will use their extra units to run more services (selfishly, I hope on the Mole Valley spine), or simply lengthen busy trains on the current timetable.
 

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I wonder if Southern will use their extra units to run more services (selfishly, I hope on the Mole Valley spine), or simply lengthen busy trains on the current timetable.

The Streatham Hill line has a terrible service really, every half an hour after 8pm and all day on Sundays. I’m pretty sure it was better under Connex.

does anyone think Chiltern will bring back their 90 minute services from Birmingham Moor Street to London?

I do hope so. I never got to use that service but I might have to try it out one day.
 

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The Streatham Hill line has a terrible service really, every half an hour after 8pm and all day on Sundays. I’m pretty sure it was better under Connex.
Summer 2000 service was half hourly after the 1922 London Victoria to Beckenham Junction, then 1937, 2004, 2034 etc up to 2304, 2337 to West Croydon. Sunday half hourly.
 

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I think that with HS2 coming, and with the GWR upgrade - Chiltern have gone more semi-fast on both Birmingham and Oxford (which is now ~50 mins) - they could compete on price but really it's Oxford Parkway and Bicester. And Birmingham - the beauty was the ability to sell seats a few times on the same route as well as London-Birmingham, e.g. turning at Banbury.
 

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When are most of the Euston – West Midlands – Preston services meant to go over to fast south of Coventry, and is there due to be any change to West Midlands – Glasgow or Trent Valley – Blackpool services in 2025?
 

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When are most of the Euston – West Midlands – Preston services meant to go over to fast south of Coventry, and is there due to be any change to West Midlands – Glasgow or Trent Valley – Blackpool services in 2025?
The xx.40 from Coventry and xx.40 from Euston are currently both non-stop, the former originates from beyond Preston, the latter is just a Birmingham service. So the down service to Preston and beyond still makes a number of intermediate calls. I think there’s no plan for more non-stop services each hour.
 

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When are most of the Euston – West Midlands – Preston services meant to go over to fast south of Coventry, and is there due to be any change to West Midlands – Glasgow or Trent Valley – Blackpool services in 2025?

I do hope there’s more Blackpool trains, as a regular London to Blackpool commuter the pre-Covid express trains to Euston were just divine.
 

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I think there’s no plan for more non-stop services each hour.
I meant that I thought e.g. the 07:16 and 11:16 to Blackpool North and 10:16* to Edinburgh were supposed to go over to nonstop between Euston and Coventry with Watford Junction, Milton Keynes Central and Rugby only keeping some early morning / evening Preston services.

*I'm fairly sure that the 06:16 called at Watford Junction in 2019 even with 3 tph to Birmingham, and the 08:40 runs fast already.
 

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I meant that I thought e.g. the 07:16 and 11:16 to Blackpool North and 10:16* to Edinburgh were supposed to go over to nonstop between Euston and Coventry with Watford Junction, Milton Keynes Central and Rugby only keeping some early morning / evening Preston services.

*I'm fairly sure that the 06:16 called at Watford Junction in 2019 even with 3 tph to Birmingham, and the 08:40 runs fast already.
You could be right, someone else can probably clarify. I thought the plan was to have 1 fast and two semi-fast services per hour, which we have, but one of them doesn’t go beyond Birmingham, so presumably some things could get swapped around.
 

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You could be right, someone else can probably clarify. I thought the plan was to have 1 fast and two semi-fast services per hour, which we have, but one of them doesn’t go beyond Birmingham, so presumably some things could get swapped around.
It's the other way round - two fast and one semi-fast per hour.

I do hope there’s more Blackpool trains, as a regular London to Blackpool commuter the pre-Covid express trains to Euston were just divine.
Drops to two direct via the Trent Valley each way if the track access application is anything to go by.
 

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I think that with HS2 coming, and with the GWR upgrade - Chiltern have gone more semi-fast on both Birmingham and Oxford (which is now ~50 mins) - they could compete on price but really it's Oxford Parkway and Bicester. And Birmingham - the beauty was the ability to sell seats a few times on the same route as well as London-Birmingham, e.g. turning at Banbury.
Chiltern will always struggle to compete with GWR for Oxford to London traffic, because (a) GWR is the established main operator, and (2) Paddington is a better connected terminus, especially now with the Lizzie Line, whereas Marylebone is a bit of a backwater. Far better for Chiltern to concentrate on providing a good service to the customers that rely on them than to leave them with fewer trains while chasing a market that is already well catered for.
 

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(2) Paddington is a better connected terminus, especially now with the Lizzie Line, whereas Marylebone is a bit of a backwater.
And places where Marylebone's easier to reach than Paddington are generally those with relatively easy bus / driving access to Oxford (or at least an Oxford park and ride) and the M40.
 

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Paddington is a better connected terminus, especially now with the Lizzie Line, whereas Marylebone is a bit of a backwater.
Marylebone yes, but it's a few minutes walk to Baker Street, which is very well connected. Agree Paddington would still be preferable for the majority.
 

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Chiltern will always struggle to compete with GWR for Oxford to London traffic, because (a) GWR is the established main operator, and (2) Paddington is a better connected terminus, especially now with the Lizzie Line, whereas Marylebone is a bit of a backwater. Far better for Chiltern to concentrate on providing a good service to the customers that rely on them than to leave them with fewer trains while chasing a market that is already well catered for.
For a while, it was nearly even - when GW was a disaster and running turbos. Now, admittedly no comparison. But it's not all end to end, and for Kidlington and broader area folks, even Cotswolds, driving to Parkway is far easier.
 

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Wasn't a reinstatement of CrossCountry service extensions from Cambridge to Stansted Airport on an hourly timetable potentially on the cards for May 2025?
 

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Wasn't a reinstatement of CrossCountry service extensions from Cambridge to Stansted Airport on an hourly timetable potentially on the cards for May 2025?

According to an article in MR magazine earlier this year yes.
 

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The local service from Manchester Piccadilly to Marple Rose Hill via Hyde still has 1 in 3 journeys missing in the December 2024 timetable, so the frequency is uneven and the service thus of lesser utility. Will the missing trains ever return?
 

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We would welcome the second high speed service per hour back through the Medway towns on Saturdays and possibly a period of 5 or 6 hours on a Sunday where we had 2 TPH high speed as well, these services are extremely popular and although some diagrams are 12-car there are still quite a few that are six and these tend to be very crowded
 

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I wonder whether the Sunday services on routes between London Victoria Victoria and Epsom/Dorking via Sutton will run with 8 or 10 carriages instead of five carriages a bit like the Saturday timetable as they seem to be getting very busier
 

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LNER to Bradford is becoming two-hourly in May, according to Modern Railways.
How is that being resourced? More Class 91 diagrams? Or Hitachi meeting contractual availability targets for the 80x fleet?
 

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The Streatham Hill line has a terrible service really, every half an hour after 8pm and all day on Sundays. I’m pretty sure it was better under Connex.



I do hope so. I never got to use that service but I might have to try it out one day.
Seriously. Nothing was any better under Connex? Their management of the South Central services was really shocking and disgraceful.
 

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xx:40 in odd hours northbound, xx:37 in odd hours southbound according to the ECML change website.

Thats the December 2025 timetable.

For the May 2025 timetable the ECML paths remain the same, meaning it'll be something like:

Northbound from Kings Cross:
Odd xx03 - to Leeds
Odd xx33 - to Harrogate
Even xx03 - to Leeds
Even xx33 - to Bradford

Southbound from Leeds:
Odd xx15 - from Bradford
Odd xx45 - starts Leeds
Even xx15 - from Harrogate
Even xx45 - starts Leeds
 

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