Mirfield Platform Two?

[61653 HTAFC]

Outside of when TPE services are diverted via Brighouse and Rochdale, does anything actually call at this platform? AIUI at least one service per week must call in order to keep the platform technically open. Wakefield services can't gain access to the Up fast line which serves P2... So, which of the Westbound services via Dewsbury actually includes this parliamentary requirement?

 

[Tomnick]

I'm not sure that there's a 'legal' requirement to call at individual platforms, is there? That requirement, if I'm not mistaken, applies only to a station as a whole. Signing platforms (or lines) 'out of use' for operational or technical reasons is a different process altogether, and not related to frequency of use.

 

[GrimsbyPacer]

Denton (Greater Manchester) has 2 platforms and only a oneway train once a week on Fridays. Also Skegness has more platforms than is needed most of the year.
I seem to recall Okehampton being a Summer Sundays only station too.

 

[yorksrob]

Plarform 2 at Mirfield definately has a couple of trains a day. There are posters on the station to warn unwary passengers which departures these are (though I can't remember them off hand !).

 

[CockneySparrow]

I'm not sure that there's a 'legal' requirement to call at individual platforms, is there? That requirement, if I'm not mistaken, applies only to a station as a whole. Signing platforms (or lines) 'out of use' for operational or technical reasons is a different process altogether, and not related to frequency of use.

Probably not a legal requirement but a requirement all the same, round here Shippea Hill get one train a day from Ely towards Norwich but there is no return stop only on a Saturday

Probably a driver route thing as if the driver did need to stop at the platform in question then they would be familiar, there could be a time when the train might have to terminate there if its in transit and there is a problem further up the line

 

[Wolf]

Plarform 2 at Mirfield definately has a couple of trains a day. There are posters on the station to warn unwary passengers which departures these are (though I can't remember them off hand !).

I wasn't aware of any of our services being booked to use platform 2. They can do but all our jobs at northern I thought (apart from empty stock movements) were booked into the loop. When I signed the route in few months ago , I was told that if approaching ravensthorpe and not getting the usual flashing yellow sequence to go over to the slow line in order to stop at platform 1, to stop and question it although just taking the mainline isn't classed as a wrong route. I think its extremely rare at moment that any trains stop at platform 2 but I may be wrong lol. Times when ur most likely to see a train stopping at platform 2 is if for some reason it can't be put down the loop int platform 1 , either points failure at midfield East jn or failed train in the loop. Of course things could all change next year , supposedly northern are to loose the Leeds - hudd stopper to tpe , and instead of 1 stopper calling at all stations different Tpe services will call at different stations to increase capacity on the line.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

I wasn't aware of any of our services being booked to use platform 2. They can do but all our jobs at northern I thought (apart from empty stock movements) were booked into the loop. When I signed the route in few months ago , I was told that if approaching ravensthorpe and not getting the usual flashing yellow sequence to go over to the slow line in order to stop at platform 1, to stop and question it although just taking the mainline isn't classed as a wrong route. I think its extremely rare at moment that any trains stop at platform 2 but I may be wrong lol. Times when ur most likely to see a train stopping at platform 2 is if for some reason it can't be put down the loop int platform 1 , either points failure at midfield East jn or failed train in the loop. Of course things could all change next year , supposedly northern are to loose the Leeds - hudd stopper to tpe , and instead of 1 stopper calling at all stations different Tpe services will call at different stations to increase capacity on the line.

Thanks for all the responses. Just one thing though, the slow line/loop platform is number three, not one!

The changes with the new tpe and Northern franchises will take some getting used to, I imagine. An early plan I heard was that Cottingley, Morley, Ravensthorpe and Deighton would be served by Northern with Batley and Dewsbury being TPE. Mirfield would have calls from both. The loss of the stopper though, might mean Deighton gains a call on the Bradford Interchange service which currently runs through without stopping. Metro will need to redraw their maps if that's the case!

 

[yorksrob]

I wasn't aware of any of our services being booked to use platform 2. They can do but all our jobs at northern I thought (apart from empty stock movements) were booked into the loop. When I signed the route in few months ago , I was told that if approaching ravensthorpe and not getting the usual flashing yellow sequence to go over to the slow line in order to stop at platform 1, to stop and question it although just taking the mainline isn't classed as a wrong route. I think its extremely rare at moment that any trains stop at platform 2 but I may be wrong lol. Times when ur most likely to see a train stopping at platform 2 is if for some reason it can't be put down the loop int platform 1 , either points failure at midfield East jn or failed train in the loop. Of course things could all change next year , supposedly northern are to loose the Leeds - hudd stopper to tpe , and instead of 1 stopper calling at all stations different Tpe services will call at different stations to increase capacity on the line.

There were definitely posters stating which regular trains departed from 2 last time I was there about two weeks ago. Whether these have been superceded by the recent timetable change, I don't know.

 

[Wolf]

Thanks for all the responses. Just one thing though, the slow line/loop platform is number three, not one!

The changes with the new tpe and Northern franchises will take some getting used to, I imagine. An early plan I heard was that Cottingley, Morley, Ravensthorpe and Deighton would be served by Northern with Batley and Dewsbury being TPE. Mirfield would have calls from both. The loss of the stopper though, might mean Deighton gains a call on the Bradford Interchange service which currently runs through without stopping. Metro will need to redraw their maps if that's the case!

Sorry platform 1 i meant to say ! I don't think anythings official at the moment , the talk was we totally loosing the route but that might not be the case, like u say northern might just end up running a semi fast service to allow increases in paths and tpe picking up the stations northern stop calling at. I would be very surprised tbh if northern stop running any trains through dewsbury because there's also the Leeds - man vic via elland stopper which will either remain or run fast from Leeds to brighouse. Also I can't see northern drivers totally ceasing to sign the route via dewsbury because they stable units at Huddersfield sidings over night and the only way back to Leeds from Huddersfield for northern drivers for empty stock movements would be via Bradford or alltofts.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Sorry platform 1 i meant to say ! I don't think anythings official at the moment , the talk was we totally loosing the route but that might not be the case, like u say northern might just end up running a semi fast service to allow increases in paths and tpe picking up the stations northern stop calling at. I would be very surprised tbh if northern stop running any trains through dewsbury because there's also the Leeds - man vic via elland stopper which will either remain or run fast from Leeds to brighouse. Also I can't see northern drivers totally ceasing to sign the route via dewsbury because they stable units at Huddersfield sidings over night and the only way back to Leeds from Huddersfield for northern drivers for empty stock movements would be via Bradford or alltofts.

I'd agree that a skip-stop pattern is likely, though exactly what form this will take is anyone's guess. My supposition that the HUD-HFX-BDI service will call at Deighton was on the assumption that the changes to the Dewsbury stopper might mean that only the Wakefield service would call, in which case the Bradford service would need to call to maintain the 2tph service.
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Also, I don't recall ever seeing any posters at MIR indicating which services used platform 2. Perhaps as I'm there regularly I overlooked them due to being familiar with the place. Where abouts were they?

I recall posters to a similar effect being at Wakefield Kirkgate a while back, due to just a handful of Huddersfield services then using P2 rather than P1.

 

[Bevan Price]

RTT shows no trains booked to call at Platform 2 at Mirfield.

e.g. See

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/sea.../0000-2359?stp=WVSC&show=all&order=wtt&toc=NT

Possibly only used if there are "problems" or engineering work affecting Platform 3.

 

[yorksrob]

RTT shows no trains booked to call at Platform 2 at Mirfield.

e.g. See

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/sea.../0000-2359?stp=WVSC&show=all&order=wtt&toc=NT

Possibly only used if there are "problems" or engineering work affecting Platform 3.

The poster was there two and a half weeks ago.

 

[CockneySparrow]

There has been some trouble at this station, perhaps this has something to do with it

http://m.mirfieldreporter.co.uk/new...ws/no-cash-for-train-station-access-1-6423656

 

[yorksrob]

Oh, scrub what I said, I was thinking of Marsden !

 

[55z]

There are problems at Mirfield due to subsidence on platforms 1 & 2, When they demolished the old buildings they dumped the stone into the cellars which are now subsiding. Network Rail keep filling the hole with concrete & Resin but no solution at the present. There are plans for making the station wholly accessible and enlarge the car park. You will have to wait developments - cannot make any further comment at present time.

 

[lejog]

I'd agree that a skip-stop pattern is likely, though exactly what form this will take is anyone's guess. My supposition that the HUD-HFX-BDI service will call at Deighton was on the assumption that the changes to the Dewsbury stopper might mean that only the Wakefield service would call, in which case the Bradford service would need to call to maintain the 2tph service.

Acoording to the Northern & TPE Service Requirements in the ITTs, the 2nd Deighton train will be a TPE service.

Deighton 1tph TPE + 1tph Northern (Wakefield)
Mirfield 1tph TPE + 2 tph Northern (1 Wakefield + 1 Leeds)
Ravensthorpe 1tph TPE
Dewsbury 3tph TPE + 1 Northern
Batley 2tph TPE
Morley 1tph TPE + 1 tph Northern
Cottingley 1 tph Northern

 

[Crossover]

I think one train was booked p2 on a Sunsay morning but this no longer seems to be the case. RTT sometimes shows due services as arriving at p2 but it is always wrong. I've been using Mirfied semi regularly for the last 3 years and have never known p2 to be used
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Also the island I in a right state now. The wall on the left side as you come up the stairs is now gone with huge subsidence of the platform round it. There's only a small gap when you come up the stairs where there isn't a metal building site barrier

 

[61653 HTAFC]

With the post-electrification/Northern Hub service patterns, I still feel that Mirfield will be a pinch point if the current layout remains. Given a fantasy budget, abandoning the island platform altogether would seem wise, with tracks being realigned to remove the doglegs around it. A four track arrangement between Heaton Lodge and Thornhill would be ideal, though as there are a mixture of stopping, express, and freight services going every which way it would be tricky to find the most efficient use of paths over the various crossovers that would be needed. Grade separation at Thornhill might also be needed.

Out of curiosity (and bringing us back on topic!) what did Wakefield services do prior to platform 3 opening? Did they omit Mirfield or was there previously a crossover to access P2?