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Miscellaneous/Special Purpose Private Owner (PXA, PXB, PXF, PXO, PXP, PXQ, PXV, PXW, PXX) Wagons

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So currently I am planning to attempt to model or, at the very least, get info of all the PX* coded private owner wagons, this means info gathering so I can get started on the whole wagons, however I am missing some info and am stuck on the wagons due to the large amounts of re-codes that the wagons went through. I have a doc to keep all the info and below is a table of info I would find helpful for these wagons (I will get an example laid out on the table, and do correct me if info here is wrong)

Wagon CodeDescriptionDesign CodesNumbersPhotos/Diagrams
PXA-AMatch/Barrier Wagon for Haverton Hill ICI Trips, Recoded to KBA-APX016A & PX016BRLS4900 - RLS4905 (PX016A) & RLS4906 - RLS4917 (PX016B)

As of now I have made it to the PXA-E, but I am stuck due to the lack of relevant information, and I am confident this will be the same for a lot of the other wagons found here (the PXA-I especially!) If anyone is able to get any info that relates to the above, or just general info about the wagons themselves, that would be greatly appreciated. I will also list all the relevant wagons if needed.

Miscellaneous/Special Purpose Private Owner Wagons TOPS Codes
PXA
- PXA-A, PXA-B, PXA-E, PXA-F, PXA-G, PXA-I, PXA-N, PXA-P, PXA-S, PXA-T, PXA-V, PXA-W, PXA-X, PXA-Y, PXA-Z
PXB
- PXB-E
PXF
- PXF-H
PXO
- PXO-A, PXO-C, PXO-K, PXO-M, PXO-S
PXP
- PXP-R
PXQ
- PXQ "Torpedo" Runner wagons (No sub-code), PXQ-A, PXQ-U
PXV
- PXV-B, PXV-D, PXV-F, PXV-G, PXV-H, PXV-J
PXW
- PXW-K, PXW-R, PXW-U
PXX
- PXX-D

I would be very grateful for anyones help!
 
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For the older wagons, British Railways - Diagrams of PO Wagons Part 1 will be useful (appears to date from 1978). A PDF can be found on this page: http://www.barrowmoremrg.co.uk/Prototype.html

Page 18 of the PDF has diagram numbers, and wagon number ranges, from PX001A up to PX015A, plus PX030A.

The actual wagon diagrams for those start on page 161 and include the 4th character AARKIND.

David Ratcliffe's Modern Private Owner Wagons on British Rail has some information that might be useful (it was written in 1989 just before the mass-recodings) - I'll have a look and add some info here (unless you've already got a copy). It doesn't include AARKINDs but does list various batches of PX_ wagons

His "Private-Owner Wagons in Colour for the Modeller and Historian" gives some clues to the recodings (although doesn't include AARKINDs).

There is limited info in TOPS itself, although some of the brief info it gives for the recoded wagon CARKNDs mentions previous incarnations, e.g.

JXA Q P.O.OPEN, STEEL SCRAP,EX JSAQ/PXAQ CAP 69/77.6T GLW 102.0T

I'll see what I can correlate from that when I have a bit more time...
 

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lots of info! Thank you for that!
I sadly do not have the modern private owner wagons book by David Ratcliffe (a massive shame!).
My interest in terms of photos and diagrams lies on the PXA-I, which had only one wagon to it (PDUF95301) as part of the FLA programme, however I can’t find any photos or diagrams of it.
 

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I don't think you'll find much more information on PDUF 95301 than is given on the LTSV profile for FLA wagons.

There's no mention of it in David Ratcliffe's Modern Private Owner Wagons and it isn't listed in my Metro wagon book for 1990.

In 1988 Powell Duffryn modified former BGV steel carrying wagon W160030 (originally a Warflat wagon built in 1943) by fitting it with smallwheeled bogies developed by Gloucester. The wagon was registered for mainline use and renumbered in the private-owner series as PDUF95301 (PXA, PX051A) but it was never intended for revenue use. After trials at Derby RTC it was deregistered (by 1992).

In terms of photos and diagrams, the best bet might be to look at the wagon type it was converted from, the BGV (former JGV).

JGV CAP 44.5 Bogie strip coil 'G' with nylon hood, ex Warflat

John Dedman has a good shot of one in action on the Hamworthy coil train in 1983: https://www.flickr.com/photos/johndedman/8179439544/
And in model form: https://www.flickr.com/photos/johndedman/52642519915/
And some photos from Paul Barlett: https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/warflatcoilg

It's a rather strange body for a prototype container flat, but perhaps the attraction was the underframe clearance, which looks like it would allow small-wheeled bogies to be fitted.
If they weren't intending to use it in traffic, I wonder if they did much to the body - possibly just removed the coil cradles to make it similar to the original warflat with a flat deck and those prototype bogies.
 

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I believe it is just the main BGV/JGV flat with air brakes instead of vacuum brakes and the fitting of the Gloucester Small Wheel Bogies, again thanks for the info.
My next area to look at is the PXB-E, I do recall that only one wagon was under this code (NTL95750), would it be of similar design to the PXA-E (NTL95751)?
 

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David Ratcliffe's Modern Private Owner Wagons has some useful info on these wagons. The book is currently less than £6 second-hand on Ebay (search 9781852600624 if you are interested), well worth it for 168 wagon-tastic pages...

p104 "...in the early 1980s British Rail converted two 31 t glw air-braked double bolsters to nuclear flask carriers for use on a special movement of imported flasks to Sellafield. The conversion involved replacement of the wooden floor with one of stainless steel to aid decontamination, and the addition of flask locating brackets and a removable cover. The FAT 7b British Rail Longlink suspension remained unchanged, as did the livery of bauxite above the solebar and black below.

In 1981, the first of these two wagons, 400004 built to diagram SA 001B, was sold to Nuclear Transport Limited and renumbered NTL 95750, while 400181, built without a through vacuum pipe to diagram SA 001A, followed in 1983, becoming NTL 95751. Both were withdrawn from mainline use in 1987.

Apart from the through vacuum pipe, or lack of it, they should be very similar. I can't find any pictures of NTL 95750, but this shot of NTL 95751 (which you've probably seen) is rather interesting: https://www.flickr.com/photos/75784477@N08/35229491133/
 

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Cheers for that, basing off the barrowmore diagrams yes, the wagons seem to be of similar design (and yes, I have seen the image of the flask wagon!). My next point of interest are the PXF-Hs. The wagons seem to have had their AFI removed and reclassified to PXV-H. They also only had one design code (PX003A), could there be any photos of this seeing as 40 of the wagons were made?
 

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David Ratcliffe again:

Also classified as tube wagons were the three-dozen Procor-owned 36 t glw opens that survived to be given TOPS numbers in the range PR 4201-4240. These were 23 ft 8 in long, twin drop-side vehicles, their 15 ft wheelbase underframes being fitted with shoe suspension and AFI vacuum brakes. All were leased to ICI Mond and carried cylinders of dangerous chemicals between Runcorn and Willesden until ...1977, when they were withdrawn from main-line use.

These are listed in the accompanying table as PXF wagons built in 1968 by Standard Wagon, and a book on Standard Wagon at Heywood (by David W Tandy) says pretty much the same thing, although gives the build date as 1969, mentioning a 12.5 ton tare, 24.5 ton capacity, 7214mm length over buffers, 4572mm wheelbase. There were 36 built so there were 4 missing numbers in that 4201-4240 range. The photo in that book is by Paul Bartlett, taken when the wagons were internal users at Sheerness, as seen on his site: https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/icipxv
He also mentions them briefly in a thread on rmweb, saying he never photographed them in traffic but that they had "an A type container in the centre for gas cylinders etc and the open area for other goods."

It would be interesting to see a photo of them in traffic, if I can find one in a book I'll let you know
 

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again, lovely info, cheers for all of this. My next info is based on the PXOs, the PXO-As were a runner wagon and based at immingham with one member of the code (ABP95031 being under it as well as having design code PX037A). The PXO-Cs, PXO-Ks and PXO-Ms seem to be a little bit more interesting. All of the wagons were bolster wagons however I'm unsure of the differences so I'll list them out seperately. The PXO-C was the lightest of the bolsters (30.5t) and only had one wagon as part of the code (BTDH3500 design code PX013A). The PXO-Ks were the heaviest of the bolsters (51t!) and were numbered BSRO1000 through BSRO1007 as well has having design code PX007A. Finally the most numerous of the type were the PXO-Ms, they were 42.5t and were numbered BSRO2000 through BSRO2007 (PX006A) and BSRO2008 through BSRO2015 (PX005A). My main question is were there any physical design differences between the wagons as well as where the wagons were based at? Finally (and in my opinion the most interesting of them all!) the PXO-S, the wagons were hot ingot wagons and only three were built, BSRO95650 (PX008A), BSRO95651 and BSRO95652 (PX009A). My main question for these wagons is were there any photos for them? They were a very unique type so surely there should be a few? And as usual, any other bits of info on these wagons. Again thanks for the help so far on these oddities of the UK.
 

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Starting with the docks wagons, the PXO code on the LTSV website for ABP 95031 should be PXV. David Ratcliffe has some more general information, and the former BR numbers for ABP 95030 & 95031 are provided on this LTSV page (some of the other wagons appear in part 1 of the same document): https://www.ltsv.com/w_ref_numbers_po4.php

Combining the two sources together, with info on the original batches of single plank Lowfits from "An Illustrated History of British Railways Revenue Wagons" there is quite a bit of information (text quoted is from David Ratcliffe's Modern Private Owner Wagons):

Associated British Ports, previously known as the British Transport Docks Authority, have owned a handful of former British Railways wagons, including two vacuum braked single bolsters converted from Lowfits [BTDH 4981-4982] , which were used as under-runners with their bogie bolster wagon BTDH 3500.

BTDH 4981-4982 1957 Shildon PXV Runner Wagon British Transport Docks, Hull

In 1984, two more Lowfits were purchased, again for use as runners, both having been left in their original condition... They run in company with bogie bolster ABP 2100, and are used on track maintenance work in the Immingham Dock complex.

ABP 95030-95031 1950-1957 PXV Runner Wagon Ex BR B452903/B450348

ABP 95030 = B 452903. Details: Diagram 1/002, Lot No. 2998, Shildon 1957, Underframe = BR Clasp, Body type = steel. Former LOWFIT (TOPS OLV)
ABP 95031 = B 450348. Details: Diagram 1/001, Lot No. 2107, Wolverton 1950, Underframe = BR Clasp, Body type = wood. Former LOWFIT (TOPS OLV > ZDV)

By a stroke of luck, Paul Bartlett has a photo of DB 450348 (which became ABP 95031) at Tinsley in 1984 (marked COND for condemned), the same year it was purchased by ABP:
https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brlowfit/h1ca727ec#h1ca727ec
By then it had become a ZDV with a DB prefix in the civil engineers fleet.

This photo of B 452931 (at Horwich in 1979) is from the same batch as B 452903, which became ABP 95030.
https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brlowfit/h1a80b302#h1a80b302
There's a B&W photo of ABP 95030 on page 102 of Modern Private Owner Wagons, taken at Immingham Docks in 1986 - it looks identical. "Its livery is a rusty brown with white lettering on black patches."

The steel body type is the same as B 452718 preserved on the Mid-Hants railway, although the brake details are different (this one in the photo is RCH vacuum going by the batches in my wagon book).
https://www.flickr.com/photos/linda_chen/4365591291/
Despite the load in the photo, apparently the Lowfits carried "NOT TO BE LOADED WITH CONTAINERS" lettering when new, and were mainly used for things like road vehicles or agricultural equipment, which can be seen on a flickr search for lowfit.

I can't find the original identities of BTDH 4981 or 4982, but we know they were Lowfits and David Ratcliffe lists them as "Shildon 1957" which would make them diagram 1/002 wagons with steel bodies in the same batch as B 452718 (the photo linked above). The conversion to "single bolsters" probably just involved the fitting of a single transverse bolster in the middle of the wagon. That type of "single bolster" is seen here on the wagons originally built as that type: https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/singlebolster

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ABP 2100 1959 Lancing PXV Bogie Bolster Ex BR B927624 in 1984 (former BDV Bogie Bolster D)
BTDH 3500 1953 Metro Cammell PXO Bogie Bolster British Transport Docks, Hull (former BCO Bogie Bolster C)

ABP 2100 was a former Bogie Bolster D, built to diagram 1/478 with vacuum brakes and British Railways Plateback bogies. It was purchased in 1984 to replace the slightly smaller BTDH 3500, for use on track maintenance work within the Immingham Docks complex, BTDH 3500 having been a bogie bolster C, built to diagram 1/471 with GWR plateback bogies and a 30.5 t carrying capacity.

There's a photo of ABP 2100 on p105 of Modern Private Owner Wagons. "It retains its original bauxite livery with the new lettering added in white on black patches." It strongly resembles a BDA, which is not surprising since the BDAs were air-braked conversions of unfitted Bogie Bolster Ds.
The diagram 1/478 Bogie Bolster Ds can be seen here - B927624 came from the 927600 - 927799 batch, lot 3246:
https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brbogiebolsterdplate

I can't see any photos of BTDH 3500. Its previous identity is not recorded, but we know it was a Metro Cammell 1953 wagon of diagram 1/471.
There are a couple of photos of preserved wagons from the same batch (lot 2406, 943100 - 943349):
B 943139 at NRM Shildon in 2017: https://www.flickr.com/photos/queenfanjohn/37175429064/
B 943286 at the Battlefield line in 2012: https://www.flickr.com/photos/dan700/8316330462/

I'll come back to the steelworks wagons in another post - not much info on the hot ingot wagons, but the bogie bolsters are less mysterious. The weights quoted (51t / 42.5t / 30.5t) will be the carrying capacity.
 

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Lovely info on the runner wagons, I was going to mention how the private owner book by metro in 1989 had ABP95031 listed as a PXO but on closer inspection of the photo that was given, it had a vacuum pipe! As well as that, the bogie bolsters info seem to be quite interesting. Again, cheers for all of the info provided so far.
 

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BSRO 1000-1007, PXO Bogie Bolster, Built 1940-1945, converted 1964-1969

The PXO wagons numbered BSRO (British Steel Rotherham) 1000 to 1007 are shown with original build dates of 1940-45 in Modern Private Owner Wagons (where the quotes are taken from).

British Steel have owned two dozen [former railway owned bogie bolster wagons], which were acquired between 1964 and 1969 and used to move steel billets between their various plants in the Rotherham area until withdrawal in the late 1970s. BSRO 1000 - 1007 were rebuilt from War Department Warflat wagons, being 40ft long with diamond-frame bogies centred at 30ft and a carrying capacity of 51t.

I wasn't expecting to find any photos of Warflats at Rotherham, but searching for "steel Warflat" on flickr brought up some images of internal user wagons taken as recently as 2020! There are several photos of them within this photostream:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kimctomcat/49467936172/in/photostream/ (Photos: Mick Cottam)

Numbers visible are WGF 8024, WGF 8031, WGF 8035, WGF 8042, WGF 8049, WGF 8063, WGF 8067, WGF 8072, WGF 8078
This WGF 8xxx number series derives from internal use at MoD sites. For example, here is WGF 8118 at Quainton in 2012:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/15038/7901874328/ (Photo: 15038)
The Buckinghamshire Railway website explains that "WGF 8118 was received from the nearby Central Ordnance Depot's Military Railway at Bicester in 2002." Other preserved warflats carry similar numbers, such as WGF 8041 at Barrow Hill:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/dan700/33739479570/ (Photo: Dan Adkins)

The wagons photographed at Aldwarke might not be the original BSRO 1000 - 1007 wagons, and could have been purchased much later from internal use at MoD sites, but either way it's interesting to see them there! One of the wagons has a maintenance date of 2014 on it, suggesting when they were last in regular use on the internal steelworks railway.

Paul Bartlett's site has more photos of Warflats at Aldwarke that come up under a search for "Warflat Aldwarke"
https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/?q=aldwarke warflat

This page has some more info on the history of these Warflat wagons and explains the WGF code means "Wagon General Flat" in Army internal use:
http://www.railalbum.co.uk/railway-wagons/military/ww2-50-ton-warflat-1.htm

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BSRO 2000-2015, PXO Bogie Bolster, Built 1949-1950, converted 1964-1969

The other 16 wagons were all former Bogie Bolster Ds, dimensionally identical at 52 ft long, with bogies centred at 40 ft and a carrying capacity of 42.5 t. BSRO 2008 - 2015, built at BRELs Derby and Wolverton works to diagram 1/470, had LMS diamond-frame bogies and five fixed bolsters, while BSRO 2000 - 2007, built at the Teesside Bridge Engineering Works, Darlington, to diagram 1/472, had LNER-type diamond-frame bogies and adjustable end bolsters. Livery of this entire fleet was black with white lettering.

Diagram 1/470 Bogie Bolster D's are illustrated here in BR traffic:
https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/bdobrlmsdiamond

With the diagram 1/472 Bogie Bolster D's pictured here:
https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brbogiebolsterdunfitplate

Paul Bartlett's site has photos of various internal user Bogie Bolster D's at Aldwarke:
https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/?q=aldwarke bolster d

Most of them seem to be pre-nationalisation designs, with one BR version pictured in 1994: https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/paulbartlettsrailwaywagonphotographs/h6fc6f01b#h6fc6f01b
That one appears to be from the numerous diagram 1/472, with the low sides and ends removed and replacement bolsters fitted. Again, it would be hard to positively identify it as a wagon from the BSRO 2000 - 2015 series, but it gives an idea of what they looked like.

A huge variety of internal users are seen at United Engineering Steels (as it then was) at Aldwarke and Roundwood in 1994:
https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/uesrotherham

The vintage of many of them is illustrated by the builders plate for wagon 504, a former Bogie Bolster C built in 1959 as B 923093:
https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/uesrotherham/h526b1081#h526b1081

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I've been delving into the history of British Steel Rotherham, which was formed of two former steelworks, the Parkgate works (which had expanded to a new site at Aldwarke) and the "Steel, Peech and Tozer" site at Templeborough / Ickles.

When British Steel was formed in 1967, the Parkgate works had blast furnaces and mills operational. The traditional open-hearth furnaces had been closed, replaced by a "Kaldo converter" at Aldwarke, where an electric arc furnace had also been built. Roundwood, and later Thrybergh, mills also formed part of the complex. This film from the mid 60s (when Aldwarke was opened) is very interesting: https://www.yfanefa.com/record/954
(It's also on YouTube as "Parkgate Iron & Steel Company, Rotherham"). At that time an electric arc furnace was opened at Aldwarke, but also a Kaldo converter which made steel from molten iron brought across from Parkgate to Aldwarke on the internal railway in ladles (seen at 8:19 in the video), to which scrap was added. The bridge across the railway at Aldwarke gave access from Thrybergh and Aldwarke (on the east side) to Parkgate and Roundwood on the west side. The Roundwood site is still there, but Parkgate is now the location of the "Great Eastern Retail Park." Later in the film (at 14:56) a lorry can be seen passing under the railway on Aldwarke lane, transferring ingots from Aldwarke to Parkgate for rolling.

A quick history of the sites involved:

1823 Parkgate Ironworks established
1953 Roundwood "11 inch continuous bar mill" opens
1964 Aldwarke "New Site" opens (with electric arc furnace and Kaldo oxygen steelmaking)
1976 Thrybergh Bar Mill opens
1985 Original Parkgate site closed
2004 (approx) Roundwood 11 inch mill closed

Historical summary: https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Park_Gate_Iron_and_Steel_Co

This drone footage gives a good overview of the area, initially looking east across the railway towards Aldwarke and Thrybergh Bar Mill (which is further away at top left). The open area is for incoming scrap / slag processing. At 1:45 the internal railway bridge across the main line can be seen, with Aldwarke exchange sidings beyond. Crossing the bridge from Aldwarke and turning left would have led to Parkgate (near the current retail park in the distance beyond the trees). The camera pans around to the Roundwood site at 2:00. Although the 11 inch mill is closed (now the "Oil and Gas service centre"), Roundwood is still part of the Steelworks, as "Bright Bar Rotherham."

Rotherham steelworks | Channel: Connor

Pictures taken within the last few years of steelmaking inside the Aldwarke and Thrybergh sites:
https://www.viktormacha.com/galerie/liberty-speciality-steels-rotherham-376/

Plenty of interesting shots of the Aldwarke internal rail system by "Yorkshire Steelworker":
https://www.flickr.com/photos/40928931@N05/

With movements between Parkgate / Aldwarke / Roundwood / Thrybergh taking place on the internal rail system, one possible use for the BR-registered bogie bolsters would have been movements between the two separate parts of British Steel Rotherham. The acquisition dates for the bogie bolsters (1964-1969) coincide with the opening of the new arc furnaces and other changes at both sites, and the formation of British Steel.

Moving away from Parkgate / Aldwarke along the GC line towards Sheffield, the other part of British Steel Rotherham was the "Steel, Peech and Tozer" works at Templeborough / Ickles. This was previously the site of 14 open hearth furnaces that produced steel from pig iron (from Scunthorpe) and scrap. These furnaces can be seen in a 1959 promotional film "Steel Rhythm" on YouTube. In the 1960s, at the same time as a new electric arc furnace (EAF) was being opened at Aldwarke, the open hearth furnaces at Templeborough were replaced with no less than six EAFs, as seen in another video on YouTube: "Project Spear - Templeborough Melting Shop."

Historical summary: https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Steel,_Peech_and_Tozer

In this 1970 view, the Ickles works is on the left, with the long black sheds of Templeborough works in the distance on the left side of the railway. The location is between Rotherham Central and Tinsley East Jn:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/blue-diesels/35615866730/ (Photo: John Senior / Models of Hull Collection)

Comparing it with this 1969 OS map, the photo is taken roughly from the 418 marker at the top right of the map (from the window of a train on the Midland line near Masborough as it crossed over the top of the GC line).
https://maps.nls.uk/view/188918583

A couple of photos of the sidings at Templeborough works in 1982, taken near the control tower marked on the OS map above where it says ROMAN FORTS (site of). Photos by Roy Burt / Gordon Edgar Collection:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/12a_kingmoor_klickr/50206141283/ (are those former warflats over on the left?)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/12a_kingmoor_klickr/50206529586/

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BSRO 95650 Built: 1969, Distington Engineering, PXO Bogie Hot Ingot Wagon

The hot ingot wagons are a bit of a mystery, and I can't find any photos of them.

From Modern "Private Owner Wagons" again:

...built by Distington Engineering was the single 107 t glw hot ingot transfer wagon, owned by British Steel, Rotherham. The wagon had a 23 ft 6 in long flat floor, supported by very deep, heavily reinforced frames, on which could be loaded a 66 t steel ingot, and a specially-shaped, removable cover, which measured some 11ft 9 in above rail height. The wagon was fitted with two four-wheel primary coil suspension bogies centred at 15 ft 6 in, but had only a hand-brake, its operation being restricted to a maximum speed of 20mph.

Distington Engineering also built hot metal "torpedo" wagons, as seen in this RMWeb thread which also shows an advert for the kind of "ladle car" used to move hot metal between Parkgate and Aldwarke.

It's worth noting that a 66 ton ingot is huge compared to the typical sizes produced at Aldwarke, which are advertised as available in sizes from 5 to 13 tons. It's possible that the hot ingot wagon was reserved for special movements (e.g. Aldwarke to Parkgate) of over-sized ingots, which may have been too heavy for the bridge over the main line on the internal railway or road movement.

I did find a few photos of the ingot bay at Aldwarke, but these wagons look like they are used purely for short distance internal moves of regular-size ingots (Photos by Roy Burt / Gordan Edgar collection):
https://www.flickr.com/photos/12a_kingmoor_klickr/50213920472/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/12a_kingmoor_klickr/50213894487/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/12a_kingmoor_klickr/50207542042/

Ingot casting has been retained at Aldwarke alongside a modern continuous bloom caster. Ingot casting is convenient for smaller batches of specialist steels (for example ingots can be remelted to produce high purity steel for aerospace use).

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BSSC 95651-95652 Built: 1971, International Combustion, PXO Bogie Hot Ingot Wagon

Two further hot ingot wagons, both owned by British Steel, Scunthorpe, were built in 1971 by International Combustion Limited. At some 40 ft long and 13 ft 6 in high, they were much larger than the earlier vehicle, and could carry 73t, the centre of the floor being enclosed by a heavily insulated box-like structure resulting in a glw of 127 t. Two four-wheel BSC 'Axle-Motion' bogies were fitted, centred at 30ft, but there was no continuous brake as the wagons were restricted to a maximum speed of 10 mph, when loaded, and 30 mph when empty.

All three hot ingot wagons were very restricted in their operations, being confined to inter-works transfer movements within their respective areas, which on occasion were required to traverse British Rail metals.

It's not clear what the need would be for movement of very large hot ingots over British Rail metals at Scunthorpe, but the layout of the internal railway in the 1970s would have been more complicated than the current one, with more mills and more entrance/exit points from BR into the works. The 127 ton glw suggests the two Scunthorpe wagons (like 95650) were designed for special movements of very large ingots, much larger than the typical ingot sizes used in the works.

There are some photos of other regular ingot wagons in use at Scunthorpe:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/155601626@N07/51795582887/ (Photo: Idle Drifter)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/69947186@N08/6382296321/ (Photo: DeanM66A)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/40972435@N08/22397403864/ (Photo: VRLH)

At Scunthorpe, ingot casting was eventually phased out in favour of continuous casting, but some of the wagons were retained for moving billets:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/antonywj/34515209523/ (Photo: Tony Jenks)

The closest I can find to the covered ingot wagons are in the USA, as seen in this blogpost about ingot trains:
https://industrialscenery.blogspot.com/2018/06/ingot-train.html

This 200 ton ingot transfer car in the USA (click on small picture to enlarge) is an absolute monster with four bogies:
"Steel Mill Ingot Transfer Car, used to transfer large ingots between cast houses and forges over mainline right-of-way."
https://steelmillmodelerssupply.com/product/ingot-transfer-car/
 

ricoblade

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I've no idea what the types of wagons but around 1990 I was working on the Port Talbot steelworks site as a sometime roving IT person which meant visiting the various areas of the plant.

You got held quite a way back at level crossings when the hot ingot wagons were crossing and you could feel the heat!
 

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