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Munros of Jedburgh - On the way out?

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Hi all. Heard a roomer over the weekend that Munros have lost quite a lot of tendered work and may be going under. Other than other forums and discussions Google has been rather unhelpfull when it comes to finding out more and wondered if anyone on here had any further details?
Not use one of there buses for a good while, what vehicles do they opperate these days and how many staff etc?


 
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Hi all. Heard a roomer over the weekend that Munros have lost quite a lot of tendered work and may be going under. Other than other forums and discussions Google has been rather unhelpfull when it comes to finding out more and wondered if anyone on here had any further details?
Not use one of there buses for a good while, what vehicles do they opperate these days and how many staff etc?



Yes there have lost alot of work, with Perryman picking up the 51/52 and 68. Its seems Perryman has brought Munros depot.
 

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They've had some legal problems for a while. More information at http://busandcoachforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=16832 :-

DunsBus said:
News from the Borders is that Munro's of Jedburgh have had their O-licence revoked with effect from March, after one of their vehicle discs was spotted in use on a Jenkins Coaches vehicle in the Dalkeith area. An investigation has revealed that this took place on three occasions over a four-month period. Jenkins Coaches, who are based in Loanhead, have also had their O-licence revoked.

While the punishment handed out to Munro's and Jenkins may seem a bit steep (after all there is a certain operator in the Motherwell area who has been banned for this and other, more serious, offences countless times only to 'relaunch' his services each time under another name, and on a new licence!) the bottom line is that Munro's have been on a shoogly peg for some time. Nonetheless, if they do end up off the road come March it's a sad and rather shocking way for them to go.
 

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Yes there have lost alot of work, with Perryman picking up the 51/52 and 68. Its seems Perryman has brought Munros depot.

Can confirm that Munro's have lost the contracts for services 51/52 (Jedburgh/Kelso - Edinburgh via the A68) and the 68 (Galashiels - Jedburgh), along with a more recent contract, the tendered Sunday service on route 20 (Kelso - Jedburgh - Hawick) to Perryman's with effect from August 12th. Perryman's have also won the contract for Rail Link service 60 (Galashiels - Duns - Berwick) from First and retained operation of the 67 (Galashiels - Kelso - Coldstream - Berwick). The passing of the 60 into independent hands will bring to an end the last link between First and its predecessors in the Berwick area. Perryman's have indeed bought over Munro's depot and are currently recruiting for drivers. New vehicles are also in the process of being sourced.

The problems with Munro's have been building up over the last few years. Firstly a difference of opinion between the two partners who ran Munro's resulted in one of them leaving and going on to run the short-lived MacEwan's outpost in Jedburgh. Secondly the credit crunch in 2008 led to cash-flow problems at Munro's and the retendering of the contracts for the 51/52/67/68 in mid-term; Munro's won back three of the contracts but lost the 67 to Perryman's. Thirdly there have been reliability problems on the 51/52 during the last 12 months due to regular breakdowns which has been put down to the unsuitability of the MAN/MCV Evolutions for long rural routes (indeed Perryman's got rid of its MAN/MCVs bought for the 67 and replaced them with similarly-bodied Mercedes OC500LEs for this reason). And lastly there was the recent incident where three Edinburgh Group Travel (EGT) vehicles were noted with Munro's discs during a VOSA check at Dalkeith High School. Both Munro's and EGT were called before the Traffic Commissioners to explain themselves and the result was that both companies were fined and stripped of their O-licence with effect from 2359 on March 31st; the Munro's MD was also found to be of ill repute as a result of the incident, and was banned from holding the office of Traffic Manager for a period of two years. Munro's then appealed the decision and applied for a new O-licence in the name of one of the other directors, this was granted in May but with a very stiff warning. I have also heard that their fuel suppliers have refused to deliver on several occasions due to non-payment, with the result that a few weekends ago Munro's had to fill up their vehicles at the local Shell filling station in Jedburgh.

Given the events of this week I suspect that they should have taken the original punishment on the chin rather than appeal and apply, especially as come August they won't have a base to run their remaining services from.
As a result of the tender losses Munro's are now left with just three services, the 54 (Galashiels local service), 74 (Galashiels - Netherdale - Melrose) and 131 (Jedburgh - Newcastle). Time will tell whether they continue to operate these services, or hand them back and shut up shop.
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Good on Roddy Periman. Be good to have more of his well run and timly services opperating round these parts. I guess he'll need new vehicles or has he sufficiant already?

New vehicles are on the shopping list. ;)
 
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They've had some legal problems for a while. More information at http://busandcoachforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=16832



yes had heard about that although not the details DunsBus has given. God, Man MCV's? No wonder there toiling. Did they not used to have Scanias on the run for a bit?
Seam to remember something from ADL 2?? Whats on the Newcastle these days? Sad to see a formerly well respected local going under but seams they had it coming. Wonder what Periman will go for - too high a loading for Solos I'd have thought.
 

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yes had heard about that although not the details DunsBus has given. God, Man MCV's? No wonder there toiling. Did they not used to have Scanias on the run for a bit?
Seam to remember something from ADL 2?? Whats on the Newcastle these days? Sad to see a formerly well respected local going under but seams they had it coming. Wonder what Periman will go for - too high a loading for Solos I'd have thought.

When Munro's first won the contracts for the 51/52 (then 29/30) and 67/68 in 2000, seven Dart SLF/ALX200s were bought to run the routes. These did not arrive until the autumn; Munro's took over the contract from the end of July that year, so for the first few weeks of operation a like number of low-floor Darts were hired from Mistral's to get the services running. An intake of four Excels in early-2004 (one nearly new ex-demo and three brand new) ousted four of the Darts. When Munro's retained the contract in 2006, the three remaining Darts went and a batch of seven MAN/MCVs were acquired, along with several second-hand low-floors to act as spares. The MAN/MCVs are the current main staple on the route, although they are now in a very sorry state for vehicles which are only seven years old. The last I heard was that four of the seven MANs were off the road awaiting new engines, with the services having to be run by two ADL E300 school buses, three of the Excels and the three serviceable MANs.

Whatever Perryman's decide to use, I don't think MANs will feature. I think it will either be MCV-bodied Mercedes OC500LEs or Volvo B7RLE/Wrights, types which both currently feature in the Berwick-based fleet. Interestingly, although Perryman's main depot is in Berwick, its registered office is in Scotland.
 

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It now appears that the plan to purchase Munro's depot will not be proceeding and instead Perryman's are looking at a site at Charlesfield Industrial Estate in St Boswells. 12 new Optare Versas are to be added to the fleet ahead of the new contracts starting on August 12.

Initially Perryman's had lost the 67 to Travelsure, but as Travelsure were unable to provide the new vehicles needed as part of the service contract, it was given back to Perryman's.
 

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glad they retain the 67. Isnt that location going to mean a lot of dead miles at start and end of service? Wonder how the optares will manage - Merk engine Im guessing?

There won't be too much dead mileage involved. I suspect these may be run as positioning journeys rather than out of service.

Perrymans already have a large fleet of Solos, all bar one of them with Mercedes engines (the odd man out having a Cummins engine) so the Versas, assuming they too have Mercedes engines, will fit in well. The four Solo SRs are used on the Berwick-Edinburgh service and by all accounts they cope very well with it given the length of the route.
 

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There won't be too much dead mileage involved. I suspect these may be run as positioning journeys rather than out of service.

Perrymans already have a large fleet of Solos, all bar one of them with Mercedes engines (the odd man out having a Cummins engine) so the Versas, assuming they too have Mercedes engines, will fit in well. The four Solo SRs are used on the Berwick-Edinburgh service and by all accounts they cope very well with it given the length of the route.



indeed they do, use it regularly. The volvo often out on it too and also runs well
 

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http://www.scotborders.gov.uk/news/article/528/public_bus_service_information

"Change of service provider for some bus routes.

We have been notified that Munro's of Jedburgh will no longer be able to deliver the council’s bus contracts from midnight on Wednesday 3 July 2013.

Since receiving notification, transport staff have secured cover from other operators to ensure that these essential bus services continue to be delivered. There are no changes to timetables.

Alternative service providers

All of the journeys will be covered by temporary arrangements in the immediate future. Some of the journeys will be covered by a new contractor from 12 August following the recent bus contract re-tendering exercise. The remaining journeys will continue to be covered until a tendering exercise can be undertaken and a new contractor appointed.

Munros operated the following services under contract to the council. The temporary replacement providers are in brackets after each journey:
•Some journeys on Service 20, Hawick - Jedburgh – Kelso (Peter Hogg/First/Perryman's)
•Service 21, Jedburgh town service infrequent journeys (Peter Hogg)
•Service 51/52, Jedburgh/Kelso to Edinburgh (First)
•Service 54, Galashiels ASDA to Meigle Street (First)
•Service 61, Galashiels – Earlston - Lauder (First)
•Service 68, Jedburgh to Galashiels (Perryman's)
•Service 74, Galashiels ASDA to Netherdale (First)
•Service 80, Kelso Town Service (SBC)
•Service 81, Kelso to Morebattle/Yetholm (Perryman's)
•Service 83, Kelso to Sprouston (SBC)

Service 131, Jedburgh to Newcastle, was delivered on behalf of Northumberland County Council and they are organising replacement provision."
 

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http://www.scotborders.gov.uk/news/article/528/public_bus_service_information

"Change of service provider for some bus routes.

We have been notified that Munro's of Jedburgh will no longer be able to deliver the council’s bus contracts from midnight on Wednesday 3 July 2013.

Since receiving notification, transport staff have secured cover from other operators to ensure that these essential bus services continue to be delivered. There are no changes to timetables.

Alternative service providers

All of the journeys will be covered by temporary arrangements in the immediate future. Some of the journeys will be covered by a new contractor from 12 August following the recent bus contract re-tendering exercise. The remaining journeys will continue to be covered until a tendering exercise can be undertaken and a new contractor appointed.

Munros operated the following services under contract to the council. The temporary replacement providers are in brackets after each journey:
•Some journeys on Service 20, Hawick - Jedburgh – Kelso (Peter Hogg/First/Perryman's)
•Service 21, Jedburgh town service infrequent journeys (Peter Hogg)
•Service 51/52, Jedburgh/Kelso to Edinburgh (First)
•Service 54, Galashiels ASDA to Meigle Street (First)
•Service 61, Galashiels – Earlston - Lauder (First)
•Service 68, Jedburgh to Galashiels (Perryman's)
•Service 74, Galashiels ASDA to Netherdale (First)
•Service 80, Kelso Town Service (SBC)
•Service 81, Kelso to Morebattle/Yetholm (Perryman's)
•Service 83, Kelso to Sprouston (SBC)

Service 131, Jedburgh to Newcastle, was delivered on behalf of Northumberland County Council and they are organising replacement provision."

Peter Hogg of Jedburgh are covering the 131 with effect from today.
 

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-23179014

Quote "Borders bus firm Munro's of Jedburgh ceases tradingMunro's bus

Scottish Borders Council (SBC) has made emergency route cover arrangements after local bus firm Munro's of Jedburgh ceased trading.

The company confirmed the move, effective from 22:45 on Wednesday, via its website.

It said it would no longer be able to operate any of its scheduled services.

SBC said it had secured cover to ensure that the "essential services" were able to continue."
 

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From what I've heard, it was a lack of cash which brought about their end. The banks refused to give Munro's any more money. Put simply, the listening bank refused to listen and the bank which likes to say yes said no.
 

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Perrymans already have a large fleet of Solos, all bar one of them with Mercedes engines (the odd man out having a Cummins engine) so the Versas, assuming they too have Mercedes engines, will fit in well. The four Solo SRs are used on the Berwick-Edinburgh service and by all accounts they cope very well with it given the length of the route.

The Versas have been ordered with the Cummins option, 6 cylinder 6.7litre 201bhp engine, rather than the standard Mercedes 4 cylinder 4.25litre 154bhp engine.

Optare Press Release said:
Optare wins Perryman's Buses largest ever order

Perryman’s Buses, the fastest-growing independent operator in the North East of England, has chosen Optare’s Versa model to fulfill what is the largest single order ever placed by the family-run firm.
The order is for 12 of the low-weight 11.7 metre model, all of which are additional to the fleet and when delivered this summer, they will double the number of Optare vehicles run by the Berwick-upon-Tweed based company. The vehicles will be used on new contracts awarded by the Scottish Borders Council to serve communities in the Central Borders area towards Edinburgh and in Northumberland.
General Manager Roddy Perryman says that the choice of the 11.7 metre Versa came down to three things: stylish appearance, fuel economy, and first-class back-up.
“This represents a major investment for us and we had to get it right,“ he says. “We carried out a thorough analysis of all the options for a bus of this size and involved our engineering manager very closely in the process. Optare ticked all the boxes in terms of passenger and driver appeal, reliability and durability, good service support and, in particular, excellent and proven fuel economy.“
Optare Sales Director, John Horn, said: “We are very pleased that following an appraisal of the market, and based on good experience with other Optare products, Perryman’s has chosen our Versa model for this, the largest order ever placed by this award-winning operator. And I’m particularly pleased that it was not only the design and build quality of our product that they took into account, but also the after-sales support that we deliver to them every day.“
In line with other Optare products in their fleet, Perryman’s have again chosen the six-cylinder Cummins ISBe engine rated at 201 bhp (150kW) to power their new Versas. “At this power output the engine has plenty in reserve to cope with some of the hilly terrain on the cross-border routes on which these buses will be used, without compromising on fuel consumption,“ explains Mr Perryman.
The engine is matched to a five-speed Allison automatic transmission that features a lock-up torque converter for improved fuel effeciency. A Klam electro-magnetic retarder automatically actuated through the brake pedal is also fitted as standard providing smoother retardation and contributing to reduced fuel consumption and brake wear.
A major factor in optimising fuel effeciency is the Optare EcoDrive dashboard, a standard feature on all Optare products that monitors how the bus is being driven and provides real-time feedback to the driver to encourage improved driving habits.
Perryman’s now has almost two years experience of this feature as it’s fitted in four Solo SR models it put on the road in mid 2011. “There is no doubt that it assists drivers to adopt a safter, more economical driving style,“ says Roddy Perryman.
To provide a degree of versatility in how the Versas can be used, Perryman’s has opted for two types of seating. Eight of the buses will have Esteban Civic V3 seats and the other four will be fitted with Rescroft seats with three-point seatbelts, enabling them to be used both on regular services and school contract runs.
A Timespace V400 8 camera CCTV system will be fitted and the vehicles will also have a Mobitec ’Next Stop’ audio announcement linked to an interior LED display.
 

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iThink if Im Honest the Merc would have struggled on the A68 despite its coping well on the less demanding but lengthy 253 servie.
these are going to be a good go anywhere bus and an improvement for the users.↲
 

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As a 'by-the-way' it hasn't taken long for the local wags to have a little fun at Munro's expense.

Doing the rounds on Facebook just now there are a couple of pics of one of the entries in the Jedharts' Callants Parade, of a mock-up of a Munro's bus, with wry digs at the erstwhile company's Jedliner branding ('Shedliner') and the breakdowns which were a common occurrence on the 51/52 in recent years ('Munrosstuckatthesideoftheroad.com, getting you where you want to go - eventually!') and perhaps the clincher, a registration plate reading BU55TTT. :lol:

I hope the chap who entered the Munro's mock-up got a prize for sheer comedy value - and for his sake that Ewan Farish and Bruce Campbell, the two former owners of Munro's, weren't watching!

Links:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1073286_10151568119987685_925105209_o.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1074275_10151568120417685_1770158832_o.jpg

Donald Cameron, who until a few years ago ran Munro's alongside Ewan Farish, was watching the parade and saw the mickey-take. He thought it was hilarious!
 
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