Network South East area covered

[Aictos]

While I am aware of the area covered for the Great Northern, West Anglia, Great Eastern, South Central, South West, C2C, Thameslink and South East I am stuck on how far they managed stations on the Chiltern lines, Euston lines and on the Great Western.

Anyone confirm how far the area went on these lines in terms of managing the stations concerned?

And yes I am using railwaycodes.co.uk which is helping but I still need some help to fill in the blanks.

 

[robertclark125]

Two websites for you that may help.

https://www.nsers.org/

https://www.networksoutheast.net/

 

[30907]

Roade, Banbury and Bedwyn, plus somewhere between Oxford and Worcester - I haven't any definite info, but possibly Moreton in Marsh?

Sorry, Roade was long closed - Long Buckby was what I meant

 

[Cowley]

This has got me trying to remember where NSE started on the West of England route? I'm pretty sure that at first the tide of red lampposts finished at either Honiton or Pinhoe before it was decided to include Exeter Central in the network.

 

[AM9]

This has got me trying to remember where NSE started on the West of England route? I'm pretty sure that at first the tide of red lampposts finished at either Honiton or Pinhoe before it was decided to include Exeter Central in the network.

I think,that it was Pinhoe. Going clockwise from the Thames, I remember it as all lines as far as Weymouth (SR), then Pinhoe, Bedwyn, Reading?, Banbury, Roade, Bedford, Huntingdon, Cambridge and Colchester North.
I remember travelling on the second or third Network Day to Exeter St David's (from Fareham).

 

[Aictos]

So is it safe to say that stations that the present day Network Railcard is valid to came under NSE management?

 

[Cowley]

I think,that it was Pinhoe. Going clockwise from the Thames, I remember it as all lines as far as Weymouth (SR), then Pinhoe, Bedwyn, Reading?, Banbury, Roade, Bedford, Huntingdon, Cambridge and Colchester North.
I remember travelling on the second or third Network Day to Exeter St David's (from Fareham).

Yes I think you're right AM9.
I seem to remember on the second Network Day having to buy a return Exeter st David's to Pinhoe ticket, but charging through Pinhoe station non stop early in the morning and then late at night.

 

[30907]

So is it safe to say that stations that the present day Network Railcard is valid to came under NSE management?

Not quite, but almost. AM9's list shows the cutoff points (he's copied my mistake upthread of Roade - it should be Long Buckby) except for the Worcester line (see my post, no-one has come up with the answer yet).

 

[Cowley]

Not quite, but almost. AM9's list shows the cutoff points (he's copied my mistake upthread of Roade - it should be Long Buckby) except for the Worcester line (see my post, no-one has come up with the answer yet).

I'm not sure that any of the Worcester line was under Network Southeast control.
I thought it covered Oxford station and the Thames route but nothing west from there?

 

[Ken H]

I'm not sure that any of the Worcester line was under Network Southeast control.
I thought it covered Oxford station and the Thames route but nothing west from there?

wasnt it a Regional railways route operated by NSE under some agreement? Seem to remember its first generation DMUs were 155's before the 165/166's came.

 

[davetheguard]

I'm not sure that any of the Worcester line was under Network Southeast control.
I thought it covered Oxford station and the Thames route but nothing west from there?

Cowley is right, it didn't cover the Oxford to Worcester Cotswold Line at all in Network South East days. After privatisation, the now long defunct Thames Trains TOC extended the Network Card area to cover the line as far as Worcester. It also introduced Network South East style fares to the line: One Day Travelcards etc.

 

[Cowley]

Cowley is right, it didn't cover the Oxford to Worcester Cotswold Line at all in Network South East days. After privatisation, the now long defunct Thames Trains TOC extended the Network Card area to cover the line as far as Worcester. It also introduced Network South East style fares to the line: One Day Travelcards etc.

Interesting, thanks for that.

 

[Bedpan]

I think,that it was Pinhoe. Going clockwise from the Thames, I remember it as all lines as far as Weymouth (SR), then Pinhoe, Bedwyn, Reading?, Banbury, Roade, Bedford, Huntingdon, Cambridge and Colchester North.
I remember travelling on the second or third Network Day to Exeter St David's (from Fareham).

In terms of where Network South East went (and where you could go on an NSE day, Cambridge to Kings Lynn and Colchester North to Clacton/Walton on Naze were also included. I appreciate that the thread is about NSE managed stations, but I can't think who would have managed the stations particularly to Walton/Clacton if not NSE. (Also, Reading - Oxford was included in the NSE area).

 

[Cowley]

In terms of where Network South East went (and where you could go on an NSE day, Cambridge to Kings Lynn and Colchester North to Clacton/Walton on Naze were also included. I appreciate that the thread is about NSE managed stations, but I can't think who would have managed the stations particularly to Walton/Clacton if not NSE. (Also, Reading - Oxford was included in the NSE area).

All this talk of NSE makes me want to crack out my tin of red Dulux and paint the lampposts outside my house...

 

[AM9]

In terms of where Network South East went (and where you could go on an NSE day, Cambridge to Kings Lynn and Colchester North to Clacton/Walton on Naze were also included. I appreciate that the thread is about NSE managed stations, but I can't think who would have managed the stations particularly to Walton/Clacton if not NSE. (Also, Reading - Oxford was included in the NSE area).

Yes of course, I was including the Clacton branch including St Botolphs (still 309s on the through trains in those days - some in 'jaffa cakes' livery.). The GEML beyond there wasn't included as istr that only lhcs Norwich services went to Manningtree and beyond in 1986.

 

[AM9]

I'm not sure that any of the Worcester line was under Network Southeast control.
I thought it covered Oxford station and the Thames route but nothing west from there?

Yes on second thoughts, I think Oxford was the limit. I did both Oxford and Cambridge in one Network Day from Fareham. Not as easy as it sounds, especially when some of the trains were packed. The first Network Day I did MK, Marston Vale to Bedford, back to Kings Cross then Huntingdon, from Fareham. The CIGs and REPs leaving Waterloo were absolutely packed, more than peak hour trains!

 

[Ken H]

Yes on second thoughts, I think Oxford was the limit. I did both Oxford and Cambridge in one Network Day from Fareham. Not as easy as it sounds, especially when some of the trains were packed. The first Network Day I did MK, Marston Vale to Bedford, back to Kings Cross then Huntingdon, from Fareham. The CIGs and REPs leaving Waterloo were absolutely packed, more than peak hour trains!

wasnt oxford - banbury NSE?

 

[davetheguard]

All this talk of NSE makes me want to crack out my tin of red Dulux and paint the lampposts outside my house...

Mr Cowley, I take it you know the rhyme....?

"Chris Green called his painters and said:
I want all my trains to be red
But they waited in vain for the scheduled train
So they painted the lampposts instead!"

 

[davetheguard]

wasnt oxford - banbury NSE?

It most certainly was. Plus Oxford to Bicester after NSE re-opened it.

 

[Cowley]

Mr Cowley, I take it you know the rhyme....?

"Chris Green called his painters and said:
I want all my trains to be red
But they waited in vain for the scheduled train
So they painted the lampposts instead!"

I hadn't heard that but I like it.

 

[Ken H]

I hadn't heard that but I like it.

didnt people refer to the NSE liveried trains as the 'toothpaste railway'?

 

[30907]

Cowley is right, it didn't cover the Oxford to Worcester Cotswold Line at all in Network South East days. After privatisation, the now long defunct Thames Trains TOC extended the Network Card area to cover the line as far as Worcester. It also introduced Network South East style fares to the line: One Day Travelcards etc.

Thanks, that explains why Google Images (station name + nse) didn't throw up anything for the OW&W aka Cotswold Line.