New stations in N. & W. Yorks report Oct 2014

[Grumpy]

Can't see this reported elsewhere

New Railway Stations in North and West Yorkshire Feasibility Study

Study Recommendations

..the two-stage assessment has considered 6.1.over 60 potential station sites in Stage 1, with 13 locations taken forward for more detailed assessment in Stage 2. Of the 13 sites considered in Stage 2, five have been recommended for more detailed feasibility work (Crosshills Site B, Elland, Haxby, East Leeds Parkway and Thorpe Park). In the case of Haxby, a continuation of existing work to develop the business case and gain funding for is recommended on the basis that previous studies have demonstrated the case for investment at this location. East Leeds Parkway and Thorpe Park should be considered as options as part of the ongoing development of timetable options for the East of Leeds Corridor, and the preferred location would need to be identified as part of that process.

Six sites have not been recommended for further development. East Ardsley Site A has been 6.2.ruled out in favour of Site B. Hipperholme, Wrenthorpe, East Ardsley Site B, Laisterdyke and Manningham have been ruled out as the financial assessment indicates that that the likely demand forecasts are insufficient to offset the impacts on through passengers. In the case of Manningham and Golcar Site A, the Stage 2 construction assessment has highlighted potential construction issues that would increase cost and complexity, while there are also line capacity issues that affect the case for a station at Golcar.

 

[yorksrob]

Seems a bit silly to have a station almost next door to Ravensthorpe, yet to not have one in Ossett at all. This decision appears to be because it's too difficult to have something near Healey Mills yard.

 

[Grumpy]

Seems a bit silly to have a station almost next door to Ravensthorpe, yet to not have one in Ossett at all. This decision appears to be because it's too difficult to have something near Healey Mills yard.

Yes, but there's some interesting stuff buried in the report. Shame they hid the revenue forecasts

 

[yorksrob]

Yes, but there's some interesting stuff buried in the report. Shame they hid the revenue forecasts

I'll have to read it closely on Sunday !

 

[Deerfold]

Seems a bit silly to have a station almost next door to Ravensthorpe, yet to not have one in Ossett at all. This decision appears to be because it's too difficult to have something near Healey Mills yard.

It's additional platforms for the current station so it's on the Wakefield and Leeds branches of the Huddersfield line.

I'll have to read it closely on Sunday !

Yep!

 

[yorksrob]

It's additional platforms for the current station so it's on the Wakefield and Leeds branches of the Huddersfield line.



Yep!

I'd still say getting Osset on the railway network ought to be a higher priority.

 

[D6975]

I'd still say getting Osset on the railway network ought to be a higher priority.

They're still trying to develop the Healey Mills site aren't they?
If that goes ahead, the through tracks may be realigned, so building a station now isn't a good idea.

 

[quantinghome]

I posted a link to this on skyscrapercity.

The report appears to be quite limited in scope. It's basically looking at quick wins - stations that can be built within the constraints of existing timetables and service patterns. For example, all potential station sites in urban Leeds are dismissed, as they would slow down existing commuter services (and probably couldn't be timetabled between fast intercities).

It would be interesting to see if there was a case for a major station building programme coupled with metro-frequency services. However, this is probably only achievable post HS2/3 when the intercity services move over to new lines.

 

[BantamMenace]

I posted a link to this on skyscrapercity.

The report appears to be quite limited in scope. It's basically looking at quick wins - stations that can be built within the constraints of existing timetables and service patterns. For example, all potential station sites in urban Leeds are dismissed, as they would slow down existing commuter services (and probably couldn't be timetabled between fast intercities).

It would be interesting to see if there was a case for a major station building programme coupled with metro-frequency services. However, this is probably only achievable post HS2/3 when the intercity services move over to new lines.

I've thought this before. Aire/Wharfe valley services with 6 car trains (and platform extensions), electrification of the Harrogate line and 4-car EMUs with provision for 6, same on the York, Huddersfield and Calder Valley lines.

Be interesting to see if such a large portfolio of schemes had a good overall BCR

 

[AnonymousUser1]

I'd still say getting Osset on the railway network ought to be a higher priority.

the issue is that the closest line is at Healey mills which is ?100 Ft below Ossett , and not easily accessible from Ossett itself (Healey Road (WF5 8ln) turns into little more than a lane not far past the St John Building ...

 

[Bletchleyite]

If a new station called "Thorpe Park" is opened, however accurate that name might be, that *is* going to cause confusion when people think it's a dedicated station for the large amusement park near Staines (for which Staines is the best station, there's a shuttle bus).

Where is this station proposed to be, and is there a better name?

Neil

 

[61653 HTAFC]

If a new station called "Thorpe Park" is opened, however accurate that name might be, that *is* going to cause confusion when people think it's a dedicated station for the large amusement park near Staines (for which Staines is the best station, there's a shuttle bus).

Where is this station proposed to be, and is there a better name?

Neil

I'm sure the c.200 mile distance between the Thorpe Park area of Leeds, and the Chertsey amusement park of the same name, will hopefully keep any confusion to a minimum. Likewise I expect thrill-seekers mistakenly boarding Alton services at Waterloo are also a rare occurrence!

 

[Deerfold]

I'm sure the c.200 mile distance between the Thorpe Park area of Leeds, and the Chertsey amusement park of the same name, will hopefully keep any confusion to a minimum. Likewise I expect thrill-seekers mistakenly boarding Alton services at Waterloo are also a rare occurrence!

I wonder if Sutton Parkway station gets many visitors expecting to be in the depths of South London?

 

[Darren R]

I'm sure the c.200 mile distance between the Thorpe Park area of Leeds, and the Chertsey amusement park of the same name, will hopefully keep any confusion to a minimum. Likewise I expect thrill-seekers mistakenly boarding Alton services at Waterloo are also a rare occurrence!

How far apart are London Liverpool Street and Liverpool Lime Street stations?

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Shame they hid the revenue forecasts

I am not all surprised to see why they did that.

 

[Ships]

They're still trying to develop the Healey Mills site aren't they?
If that goes ahead, the through tracks may be realigned, so building a station now isn't a good idea.

Do you know what the plan (if any for Healey Mills) is? There's not much sadder looking on the network and a once mighty freight yard in disuse.

 

[RichmondCommu]

Do you know what the plan (if any for Healey Mills) is? There's not much sadder looking on the network and a once mighty freight yard in disuse.

I'm pretty sure that I read that some of the sidings are being reinstated for infrastructure based services.

 

[185143]

I'm sure the c.200 mile distance between the Thorpe Park area of Leeds, and the Chertsey amusement park of the same name, will hopefully keep any confusion to a minimum. Likewise I expect thrill-seekers mistakenly boarding Alton services at Waterloo are also a rare occurrence!

How far apart are London Liverpool Street and Liverpool Lime Street stations?

Depends, if you're at Norwich, a few centimeters on the departure boards

 

[steevp]

If a new station called "Thorpe Park" is opened, however accurate that name might be, that *is* going to cause confusion when people think it's a dedicated station for the large amusement park near Staines (for which Staines is the best station, there's a shuttle bus).

Where is this station proposed to be, and is there a better name?

Neil

Wasn't there the RTE TV crew who turned up in West Yorkshire looking for Leeds Castle....

 

[Deerfold]

Wasn't there the RTE TV crew who turned up in West Yorkshire looking for Leeds Castle....

There was certainly a press release from either Premier Inn or Travelodge promoting Leeds Castle as a nearby attraction when they opened a new hotel in Leeds. Hurriedly replaced when it was pointed out...

 

[edwin_m]

I'm sure the c.200 mile distance between the Thorpe Park area of Leeds, and the Chertsey amusement park of the same name, will hopefully keep any confusion to a minimum. Likewise I expect thrill-seekers mistakenly boarding Alton services at Waterloo are also a rare occurrence!

There are reports of tourists turning up in East London looking for Shakespeare's birthplace.

 

[Clip]

The DLR has had to put a poster up at Abbey Road station to inform them that that isn't the place where the Beatles recorded.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

How far apart are London Liverpool Street and Liverpool Lime Street stations?

Depends, if you're at Norwich, a few centimeters on the departure boards

It would only be a major issue if Cross Country services from Reading were likely to call at Thorpe Park (Leeds), which they aren't. Of course as the above-mentioned examples show, there's always one or two idiots around!
Does remind me of an incident in one of the later Adrian Mole books, where Mole inadvertently directs a Japanese tourist onto a train to Torquay rather than a flight to Turkey!

 

[40129]

I remember when I first started on the railway (in London) and a radio message went out asking if anyone knew where Alton Towers was. Turned out I was the only member of staff who knew it's in Staffordshire. The passenger concerned also took some convincing that she needed to get a train from Euston to Stoke rather than Waterloo to Alton

 

[61653 HTAFC]

To bring us back on topic, I'm surprised at just how many extra stops the report suggests could be accommodated by the current 8 minute dwell at Halifax on the Selby to Huddersfield service... Low Moor is already in the pipeline with Elland hopefully not far behind, yet the report cites the very same extended dwell as being the source of fitting at least two other new stations into the existing timetable.