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PawsOnThePlat

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There are various disused lines in North Devon that may have some merit for reopening nowadays, such as Okehampton-Plymouth via Tavistock and Okehampto-Bude, are there any other lines in Devon think would be worthwhile to reopen and what’s most likely to happen?
 
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Probably Bideford and Ilfracombe are the most obvious ones. Bideford is currently being championed in North Devon but Ilfracombe is very unlikely. There have been many threads on the virtues of various North Devon reopenings that are worth searching on here for. Most arguments have really been done to death though.
 

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Don’t want to be a Job’s comforter but I personally envisage no further rail reopenings in North Devon. It’s just so difficult to defend any. Only possible route in the west would be Tavistock.
 

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Don’t want to be a Job’s comforter but I personally envisage no further rail reopenings in North Devon. It’s just so difficult to defend any. Only possible route in the west would be Tavistock.
Some kind of alternative to the Dawlish route would be good, which is a good merit for the Tavistock route. I wonder if that line re-opens maybe GWR can run local stopping services and SWR can run faster services so that they can get Plymouth back on their network.
 

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Above is a 16 page link on this very subject.
 

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Some kind of alternative to the Dawlish route would be good, which is a good merit for the Tavistock route. I wonder if that line re-opens maybe GWR can run local stopping services and SWR can run faster services so that they can get Plymouth back on their network.

I don’t think we’ll ever see trains crossing Meldon Viaduct again but never say never I suppose.
 

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Don’t want to be a Job’s comforter but I personally envisage no further rail reopenings in North Devon. It’s just so difficult to defend any. Only possible route in the west would be Tavistock.
After the success of the Okehampton reopening, it begs the question, why should that be the limit? The Okehampton project proved how popular reopenings could be, and Bude seems like a really good one to me. I’ve been there, it’s a big enough town, possibly a bit of tourism traffic, only issue I can see is the poor siting of the former station.
 

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After the success of the Okehampton reopening, it begs the question, why should that be the limit? The Okehampton project proved how popular reopenings could be, and Bude seems like a really good one to me. I’ve been there, it’s a big enough town, possibly a bit of tourism traffic, only issue I can see is the poor siting of the former station.
The answer is pretty straightforward – the track to Okehampton, and the station there, were already in situ and in use, so relatively little work was needed on the infrastructure to enable an hourly DMU service. That's a completely different proposition from building nearly 30 miles of brand new railway, with various associated civils needed to ensure embankments, cuttings and viaducts are up to modern standards, plus where the original route has been built on at Bude, Holsworthy and Halwill Junction. The fact that there is a mostly intact trackbed goes only a very small way towards (re)opening the line, it's essentially a new build from scratch but with the land acquisition slightly simplified.
 

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If there were any prospect now of xx miles of new railway, the odds are hugely stacked against it happening in ruralshire.
 

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I could see there being a case sometime in the future to reopen Barnstaple to Bideford if Bideford becomes a much bigger place. Other than that the only viable rail link likely to happen in my lifetime would seem to be Tavistock to Bere Alston.
 

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Well there is now a proposal (again) to have a fast ferry from South Wales to one of the North Devon ports, so that could be an added incentive to open one of the lines.
 

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The answer is pretty straightforward – the track to Okehampton, and the station there, were already in situ and in use, so relatively little work was needed on the infrastructure to enable an hourly DMU service. That's a completely different proposition from building nearly 30 miles of brand new railway, with various associated civils needed to ensure embankments, cuttings and viaducts are up to modern standards, plus where the original route has been built on at Bude, Holsworthy and Halwill Junction.
The other issue is that the "bread and butter" traffic (commuters and students) is unlikely to be there in quantity - Okehampton by contrast is Exeter commuter territory.
 

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I could see there being a case sometime in the future to reopen Barnstaple to Bideford if Bideford becomes a much bigger place. Other than that the only viable rail link likely to happen in my lifetime would seem to be Tavistock to Bere Alston.
Indeed, the other Advantage to reopening to Bideford would be to take some of the pressure off Okehampton as the railhead for North Devon & North Cornwall. Then it’s just a short trip up the A39 from Bude to Bideford then.
 

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After the success of the Okehampton reopening, it begs the question, why should that be the limit? The Okehampton project proved how popular reopenings could be, and Bude seems like a really good one to me. I’ve been there, it’s a big enough town, possibly a bit of tourism traffic, only issue I can see is the poor siting of the former station.

I’m afraid I just see the extensive engineering costs will outweigh the limited traffic it would generate. The Okehampton section had a head start in that it was already in use.
 

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Indeed, the other Advantage to reopening to Bideford would be to take some of the pressure off Okehampton as the railhead for North Devon & North Cornwall. Then it’s just a short trip up the A39 from Bude to Bideford then.
Is there any evidence of such pressure causing actual problems? The occasional very well loaded train would be no different to the normality of rail traffic across the country. Or does Okehampton simply need more parking for railheaders?
 

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The Bideford-Barnstaple road can be exceptionally busy. A good railway could help alleviate this.
Much, much cheaper to first try adding bus priority measures at key locations and encourage a suitable operator to provide an improved quality limited stop bus service. If that thrives you can then consider spending a large fortune on a new railway line.

Of course reducing the free for all that is bus deregulation would allow genuine long-term rail replacement bus services to be integrated into the rail timetable. It was often attempted after various Beeching closures but there really wasn't sufficient political will to ensure success. It's high time to give the concept a proper effort.
 

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Most likely is an extension of the Lynton and Barnstaple railway either towards Blackmoor Gate or Lynton
 

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