Nottingham City Transport

[liamf656]

The VOSA website states that NCT are introducing three new routes in September, the 60/61 serving Calverton, and the 29 serving Jubilee Campus

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Registration numberPB0002362/204
Licence NumberPB0002362
Variation number
StatusRegistered
Service number.29
Service typeNormal Stopping
Start pointMilton Street, Nottingham
Finish pointUniversity of Nottingham, Jubilee Campus, Nottingham
ViaIlkeston Road
Date received05 Jul 2024
Effective date16 Sep 2024

 

[MCR247]

The VOSA website states that NCT are introducing three new routes in September, the 60/61 serving Calverton, and the 29 serving Jubilee Campus

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The 31 returning under a new name? The 60/61 maybe the 46/47 being renumbered?

 

[liamf656]

The 31 returning under a new name? The 60/61 maybe the 46/47 being renumbered?

Yes it looks like that. The 60/61 should be replacing the 46/47. The 29 will be replacing the long-withdrawn 31 although why it isn't using a new number I don't know, maybe it'll take a different route

 

[zakky1.0]

the 60/61 serving Calverton

How much of this will follow the Calverton?

 

[liamf656]

How much of this will follow the Calverton?

Not much I don't think. Looks like it'll run via Lambley and Woodborough much like the current 46/47

 

[joieman]

The 60/61 serving Calverton

The numbers suggest these will be Lime Line services as their numbers follow on immediately from the existing Lime Line services 56-59.

 

[MCR247]

The 29 will be replacing the long-withdrawn 31 although why it isn't using a new number I don't know, maybe it'll take a different route

It might just be to reduce gaps, keeps pink line nice and tidy with 28, 29 and 30

 

[liamf656]

The numbers suggest these will be Lime Line services as their numbers follow on immediately from the existing Lime Line services 56-59.

Either that or it's a nod to the old 61 which Dunn Line ran in the early 00s!

 

[ChrisC]

Not much I don't think. Looks like it'll run via Lambley and Woodborough much like the current 46/47

It won’t follow the The Calverton route but from Calverton to Nottingham it could be very competitive on timing. Are NCT intending to compete with Trent Barton for Calverton to Nottingham passengers? Passenger numbers on the current 46/47 in have certainly increased in recent years from stops in the Mapperley and Gedling Country Park areas due to all the new housing developments. Perhaps serving Calverton and taking passengers from Trent Barton will help to make the rural part of the route through Lambley and Woodborough more viable.

 

[joieman]

The 60/61 should be replacing the 46/47.

Looks like the Sky Blue Line 45 is also being axed.

PB0002362/159 – bustimes.org

bustimes.org

Perhaps the 60/61 might be new Sky Blue Line services rather than Lime Line services along the Arnold corridor, with the 60 replacing the 45 and the 61 running via Lambley and Woodborough to Calverton, thus abolishing the circular system of the 46/47. If this is the case then it wouldn't really compete with the Calverton bus service as it would taste a much longer route into Nottingham.

 

[MCR247]

Looks like the Sky Blue Line 45 is also being axed.

PB0002362/159 – bustimes.org

bustimes.org

Perhaps the 60/61 might be new Sky Blue Line services rather than Lime Line services along the Arnold corridor, with the 60 replacing the 45 and the 61 running via Lambley and Woodborough to Calverton, thus abolishing the circular system of the 46/47. If this is the case then it wouldn't really compete with the Calverton bus service as it would taste a much longer route into Nottingham.

Seems a bit pointless renumbering the 45 unless it’s part of something bigger

 

[ChrisC]

Looks like the Sky Blue Line 45 is also being axed.

PB0002362/159 – bustimes.org

bustimes.org

Perhaps the 60/61 might be new Sky Blue Line services rather than Lime Line services along the Arnold corridor, with the 60 replacing the 45 and the 61 running via Lambley and Woodborough to Calverton, thus abolishing the circular system of the 46/47. If this is the case then it wouldn't really compete with the Calverton bus service as it would taste a much longer route into Nottingham.

I don‘t think that the NCT route from some parts of Calverton to Nottingham via Woodborough and Lambley will take that much longer. Depending upon which route it takes around Calverton, it could even be quicker. The Trent Barton Calverton bus, which takes a big loop all around Calverton takes between 35 and 45 minutes depending upon where in Calverton you are going to. The current NCT 46/47 only takes 30 minutes to reach Woodborough via Lambley and will almost certainly enter and leave Calverton via Bonner Hill. That will make journeys into Nottingham from the bottom end of Calverton near the Gleaners Inn at least 5 minutes quicker.

 

[joieman]

Seems a bit pointless renumbering the 45 unless it’s part of something bigger

I think at some point new bus services will need to be introduced to serve the Fairham estate in addition to the South Notts 1. Perhaps this is to free up numbers for the Navy Line, since presently the numbers 1, 3-11 and 39-50 are all in use, meaning that there is only one number (2) available for service provision that may require more than one new bus route.

 

[MCR247]

I think at some point new bus services will need to be introduced to serve the Fairham estate in addition to the South Notts 1. Perhaps this is to free up numbers for the Navy Line, since presently the numbers 1, 3-11 and 39-50 are all in use, meaning that there is only one number (2) available for service provision that may require more than one new bus route.

Ah that’s an interesting point. I hadn’t thought of it like that

 

[tram21]

It appears that:

-29 is probably identical to the 31, but using number 29 to fill the gap to create Pink Lines 28-30
-Sky Blue 45 is replaced by 60, but we'll have to wait and see why.
-Sky Blue 46/47 is replaced by 61. Its important to remember the 46/47 are only registered under one registration (46), so it could be that two services are created, the 61 & 62.

Might we see a new colour- I doubt it but you never know! If not then why the renumbering?

 

[edwin_m]

Might we see a new colour- I doubt it but you never know! If not then why the renumbering?

45, 46 and 47 are the only Sky Blue routes, and all routes in that area follow the usual convention that all routes use the same main road out of the city centre. So I can't see them doing anything other than keeping them as sky blue, just with new numbers. So I think it is to free up some numbers for Clifton and possibly Gedling.

Incidentally, looking at the NCT route map which is now quite well hidden (https://images.nctx.co.uk/2024-03/Nottingham Colour Coded Map Print_0.pdf) Clifton via Queens Drive no longer merits a thick line as a frequent service. I've always thought of the 48 as the primary Clifton service, but this seems to be part of a downgrading along with the removal of deckers. This is the only exception to the rule of one colour per main road, so if we are to see an extra colour I think it would be here.

 

[joieman]

45, 46 and 47 are the only Sky Blue routes, and all routes in that area follow the usual convention that all routes use the same main road out of the city centre. So I can't see them doing anything other than keeping them as sky blue, just with new numbers. So I think it is to free up some numbers for Clifton and possibly Gedling.

Another thought I have is that the Red Line 50 might be renumbered to the 45 to keep it with the other Red Line services, the 43 and 44. Numbering it the 50 was probably a bit of an afterthought due to the 4X series being totally occupied, and the 50 originally being part of the Grey Line which also includes the 53/54 rather than the Red Line.

 

[MCR247]

Another thought I have is that the Red Line 50 might be renumbered to the 45 to keep it with the other Red Line services, the 43 and 44. Numbering it the 50 was probably a bit of an afterthought due to the 4X series being totally occupied, and the 50 originally being part of the Grey Line which also includes the 53/54 rather than the Red Line.

That too is also possible. If they really wanted to push the boat out they could renumbrer the 48 the 2

 

[edwin_m]

That too is also possible. If they really wanted to push the boat out they could renumbrer the 48 the 2

This would remove the distinction that the 48 goes down Queens Drive and all the single-digit routes use Trent Bridge. There is also the 49 which uses Queens Drive but doesn't go as far as Clifton - hence my feeling that these numbers will most likely stay the same but might get a different colour.

 

[liamf656]

Is there any point in renumbering a few services just to "neaten" things? It'll just confuse the public

 

[tram21]

Is there any point in renumbering a few services just to "neaten" things? It'll just confuse the public

I don't think they will renumber services just to 'neaten' things- there must be a reason.

I also believe that there will be yet-to-be-registered changes to Green 5,6,7, changing the termini of the three services.

 

[edwin_m]

I also believe that there will be yet-to-be-registered changes to Green 5,6,7, changing the termini of the three services.

Send the deckers to Gamston instead of Edwalton?

 

[MCR247]

Send the deckers to Gamston instead of Edwalton?

Maybe have the revised 5/7s serve the newer bits of Edwalton at the same time

 

[edwin_m]

Maybe have the revised 5/7s serve the newer bits of Edwalton at the same time

As I posted recently there was talk a while ago about a bus running from Musters Road the length of Rose Way when it's finished, and that could carry on across Melton Road to serve the estates east of it (although much of this area is in walking distance of the Keyworth stop at that junction). This could be achieved by changing the 8 and 9 which currently loop via Compton Acres and Musters Road, so one of them runs via Compton Acres to Rushcliffe School and the other via Musters Road to Rose Way. I think this would make more sense than trying to serve the new housing with the 5 (which would have to backtrack to serve both sides of Melton Road) or the 7 (which winds through eastern Bridgford and probably needs to continue to serve the shops at Gamston).

 

[kevjs]

As I posted recently there was talk a while ago about a bus running from Musters Road the length of Rose Way when it's finished, and that could carry on across Melton Road to serve the estates east of it (although much of this area is in walking distance of the Keyworth stop at that junction). This could be achieved by changing the 8 and 9 which currently loop via Compton Acres and Musters Road, so one of them runs via Compton Acres to Rushcliffe School and the other via Musters Road to Rose Way. I think this would make more sense than trying to serve the new housing with the 5 (which would have to backtrack to serve both sides of Melton Road) or the 7 (which winds through eastern Bridgford and probably needs to continue to serve the shops at Gamston).

The huge new housing estate on the Tollerton (airfield) site IIRC proposed extensions of the 5/7 and 11 in at least one of the planning applications (11 now runs as 11A to Morrisons) - I'd imagine therefore they are unlikely to see much in the way of change for the time being (although handily 12, 13, and 14 are also free numbers), unless it's tweaking the routes to have a better structure ready for future extensions?

 

[edwin_m]

The huge new housing estate on the Tollerton (airfield) site IIRC proposed extensions of the 5/7 and 11 in at least one of the planning applications (11 now runs as 11A to Morrisons) - I'd imagine therefore they are unlikely to see much in the way of change for the time being (although handily 12, 13, and 14 are also free numbers), unless it's tweaking the routes to have a better structure ready for future extensions?

Any route terminating at Morrisons could be extended across the A52, which might be another reason to terminate the double deck route there. Or, as you say, this might be an entirely new route.

 

[MCR247]

Red 50 is getting extended to ‘Teal Close’ apparently

A Nottingham City Transport (NCT) bus service will be extended to serve a growing new development and encourage its residents away from using the car. Nottingham City Council has agreed that the Red Line 50 service will be expanded to serve those living on the Teal Close development between Netherfield and Stoke Bardolph in Gedling.


The development of over 800 homes has been split into three phases, with work still underway on houses and amenities including a primary school, care home and supermarket. Nottingham City Council has now agreed at a meeting on Tuesday (July 16) that the NCT service running between the city centre and Netherfield's Victoria Retail Park will branch out to Teal Close.

NCT bus service expanding to serve huge development in £800k deal

NCT's Red Line 50 service will serve the 800-home Teal Close development in Gedling

www.nottinghampost.com

 

[tram21]

Wow there's certainly exciting times ahead for NCT!!

 

[adrianjohnson]

Red 50 is getting extended to ‘Teal Close’ apparently

NCT bus service expanding to serve huge development in £800k deal

NCT's Red Line 50 service will serve the 800-home Teal Close development in Gedling

www.nottinghampost.com

Would it require an additional bus or just changes to timings?

 

[MCR247]

Would it require an additional bus or just changes to timings?

I would’ve thought an additional bus