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I have no opinions either way, but it is entertaining to read a ghost story!

Why not leave this thread as a place to tell of any ghostly or spooky happenings and leave people to make up their own minds?

I doubt people are going to be swayed either way by anything posted for or against on this thread!
 
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They seem to have (exaggeration coming) hundreds of paranormal TV shows with ghost hunters here in the states. (Same with UFOs).

All you ever get is lots of shaky night-vision pictures, very quickly changing scenes - usually a bunch of rapid still frames.
Now they also have these hand held recorders that play static that they later interpret as ghost voices.

Where does all the money come from to research these things?
Seems better spent on railway infrastructure upgrades!:p:p
 
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Clearly MattE2010....the thread has been around for almost a year. Fiction or not, people still find the thread interesting enough to read it and contribute.....Theres a lot to be said for fiction ;)

You say that, but lots of other people swear by fictional things, look at religion :D
 

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You say that, but lots of other people swear by fictional things, look at religion :D

Religion itself is not necessarily fictional. Where religion involves 'God(s)' it is probably quite true that it is fiction - and maybe for the bible and other texts, although that is hard to prove. However, religion can be defined as "a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe" which does not have to be fictional. It can also be defined as "a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects" which again, does not have to be fiction to make sense.
 

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sorry, Ralph, I was referring to God-based relig, Christianity, Islam, judaism, Hinduism etc, they cause more problems than peace they bring :D
 

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Proof of anything cannot be provided either way. You can only prove something DOES exist, never that it DOES NOT.
Of course you can prove that something does not exist! If I stick my fingers in a socket without looking at the state of the switch, and I do not get electrocuted, then I have proved that electricity did not exist in that circuit at that time.
By logic, Ghosts don't exist until it's proved that they do. If you disagree with that... you don't have a grasp of logical deduction.
So before someone proved that the earth was a sphere, it was absolutely definitely flat because no one had proved otherwise?
If you really are an 'avionics engineering graduate', that might raise all sorts of problems with our education system if logic is not your friend. But I don't think Raytheon or Bendix or Boeing or Airbus or Rolls Royce will give you a job if your avionics design priciples are not based on logic.
So you are now casting aspersions on a member's professional ability because he/she might believe in ghosts?!
 

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I find myself arguing only this point: People have a right to believe in what ever they like regardless of who agrees or disagrees with them.

For those who are interested an excellent read: Nottinghamshires railway ghosts by John R Smalley, places included in the book are:

Annesley, Mapperley Tunnel, Plumtree station, Fiskerton, Rolleston, Thorneywood and Nottingham Victoria amongst many others :)
 

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Its quite saddening really that a thread which was meant as "a bit of fun" to tell tales of weird goings on has been hijacked by certain members banging on about requiring proof, definitions of proof and so on.

CS, as I and others have said before, please leave this thread alone as you are cleary incapable of allowing people to have a little self-indulgance to essentially enjoy the unexplainable.

As most people dont carry around magnetometers, infra-red spectrometers, thermal imaging devices and motion sensors, every story such as this - indeed ANY story full stop - is just hear-say.

I got chatted up by Dale Winton in a club in Sheffield once. I cant prove it nor would I want to. There were plenty of other people who witnessed this event in a public setting. Can I provide proof it happened? Of course I can't. Can YOU prove it did not happen? Of course you can't. Ergo using the logic applied previously, its wibble.

Anything said on this forum is really just hear-say unless it is documented with proof. But alas people tend to take these things at face value because nine times out of ten people are not lying.

If people wish to interpret what they experience as some kind of supernatural or paranormal event, then so be it. It is not for the likes of you to come in and trample over those strawberries in the subtly arrogant and mocking way that you do.

Just because at this time there is no way to determine what causes people to experience so-called paranormal events, does not mean that they do not occur nor that they are not real.

So please can we stop using this thread to bang the drum about proof, and return it back on track to ghostly tales?
 

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OK, so, hopefully someone will be able to elaborate on this, and tell whether there's any truth to it. I was told this story a few years ago (between 1999 and 2001) by a resident in a care home I worked at who was en ex-railway man.

He told me that no trains are permitted to ever pass through the Standedge Tunnels near Huddersfield travelling eastwards between 10:05 and 10:15 at night, ever. The reason was that strange things had happened to trains in the tunnels between these times. Namely that all electric lights, and previously even gas / paraffin lamps, always extinguished shortly after entering the tunnel, and the train would mysteriously feel like it's trying to slow or stop. The enginemen always had to fight the controls in the dark to keep the train moving, as they always felt an instinct that if the train stopped then something terrible would happen. This only ever happened when trains were travelling eastwards in the tunnel between five-past-ten and quarter-past-ten at night. After numerous incidents over the years, British Rail management declared a moratorium on such movements between those times in the mid to late 1980s, and as no train has ever passed through between those times since, no further incidents have ever been reported. The old man told me that there had been records throughout the time of the nationalised railways of these incident occurring, and some records from before nationalisation, but it wasn't until (for him) relatively recently that the reports were taken seriously, and BR issued the moratorium on such movements.

I've checked several times and never found anything written about this on-line. I'd actually forgotten it until I recently took a trip to York from Manchester and passed through the tunnel and the memory came back to me of my old resident.

Well come on, Jim, this is exactly the sort of wibble that depresses me on this thread. A moments consideration should tell you that that tale is complete bollaux.

Can you really imagine an organisation (even one like BR) bowing to some unexplained phenomina and refraining from running trains because of it? How do you suppose this would be accounted for officially? I think if I were running such an organisation and anyone in it made such an illogical descision, they'd be down the job queue faster than a TGV because they would be seriously failing in their duty.

If trains really did suffer electrical and power problems at any particular point on the railway, this would be investigated and the cause eliminated; after all, such happenings may be the start of something far more serious and the cause would need to be found rather that the symptoms tolerated by working around them, before whatever is causing the problem escalates into something that causes an accident.

This sort of muddled thinking, of regurgitating tosh without just pausing for a mo and asking "hang on, could this really have happened?" before posting, insults the intelligence of anyone reading the thread.
 
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I love forums. Generally there is a lot to interest you, but inevitably things get taken down to a "I'm right, your wrong" "No, I'm right, You are wrong" argument

Can someone PLEASE start a DISCUSSION thread about the Paranormal, so that all the pros & cons can be discussed there, and leave this one to people who just like a good yarn?
 

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OK, so, hopefully someone will be able to elaborate on this, and tell whether there's any truth to it. I was told this story a few years ago (between 1999 and 2001) by a resident in a care home I worked at who was en ex-railway man.

He told me that no trains are permitted to ever pass through the Standedge Tunnels near Huddersfield travelling eastwards between 10:05 and 10:15 at night, ever. The reason was that strange things had happened to trains in the tunnels between these times. Namely that all electric lights, and previously even gas / paraffin lamps, always extinguished shortly after entering the tunnel, and the train would mysteriously feel like it's trying to slow or stop. The enginemen always had to fight the controls in the dark to keep the train moving, as they always felt an instinct that if the train stopped then something terrible would happen. This only ever happened when trains were travelling eastwards in the tunnel between five-past-ten and quarter-past-ten at night. After numerous incidents over the years, British Rail management declared a moratorium on such movements between those times in the mid to late 1980s, and as no train has ever passed through between those times since, no further incidents have ever been reported. The old man told me that there had been records throughout the time of the nationalised railways of these incident occurring, and some records from before nationalisation, but it wasn't until (for him) relatively recently that the reports were taken seriously, and BR issued the moratorium on such movements.

I've checked several times and never found anything written about this on-line. I'd actually forgotten it until I recently took a trip to York from Manchester and passed through the tunnel and the memory came back to me of my old resident.

Jim, an amazing read. Thoroughly enjoyed it, thankyou for sharing :D
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Well come on, Jim, this is exactly the sort of wibble that depresses me on this thread. A moments consideration should tell you that that tale is complete bollaux..

Firstly, stop reading the damn thread then!

Secondly did you not read JORDY'S post a few back??

Id really hate this thread to be locked because we cant stop bickering as to the existance of ghosts. Its spoiling the whole flipping thread, Theres some great stories coming through and to be honest if posts start getting attacked and called 'bollaux' then members arent going to post.

Please.....if you dont like what the thread is about then mearly pass it by.

Does anyone have any stories about the NYMR? :D
 

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Well come on, Jim, this is exactly the sort of wibble that depresses me on this thread. A moments consideration should tell you that that tale is complete bollaux.

Can you really imagine an organisation (even one like BR) bowing to some unexplained phenomina and refraining from running trains because of it? How do you suppose this would be accounted for officially? I think if I were running such an organisation and anyone in it made such an illogical descision, they'd be down the job queue faster than a TGV because they would be seriously failing in their duty.

If trains really did suffer electrical and power problems at any particular point on the railway, this would be investigated and the cause eliminated; after all, such happenings may be the start of something far more serious and the cause would need to be found rather that the symptoms tolerated by working around them, before whatever is causing the problem escalates into something that causes an accident.

This sort of muddled thinking, of regurgitating tosh without just pausing for a mo and asking "hang on, could this really have happened?" before posting, insults the intelligence of anyone reading the thread.

Why do you feel the need to be so arrogant and offensive??? Who made you the thought police???

I'm recounting something that was told to me as described by that person. It's meant to be an amusing anecdote on the theme of the thread, i.e. spooky stories and unexplained phenomena. Perhaps instead of being insulting to people who are trying to enjoy the thread, if it bothers you so much Catpain Speaking, why not just avoid the thread yourself instead of insulting other people and trying to ruin their enjoyment of an otherwise entertaining (at least to some of us) diversion. I for one certainly don't come here to be insulted by the likes of you, and I'd be surprised if there aren't others who are feeling the same way to be perfectly honest.
 

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I'm going to have a look at this properly when I get home, this thread will be kept for stories and the rest can go in a discussion thread.

Thanks Jordy :)
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Why do you feel the need to be so arrogant and offensive??? Who made you the thought police???

I'm recounting something that was told to me as described by that person. It's meant to be an amusing anecdote on the theme of the thread, i.e. spooky stories and unexplained phenomena. Perhaps instead of being insulting to people who are trying to enjoy the thread, if it bothers you so much Catpain Speaking, why not just avoid the thread yourself instead of insulting other people and trying to ruin their enjoyment of an otherwise entertaining (at least to some of us) diversion. I for one certainly don't come here to be insulted by the likes of you, and I'd be surprised if there aren't others who are feeling the same way to be perfectly honest.

Agreed!!!!

Jim, i love hearing the old stories from the railway veterans. My grandad used to spend ours telling me stories about spooky goings on.

My grandads brother (my great uncle les) was signalman at Rotherham Masbrough for a few years before he transfered to nottinghamshire in the late 1940's.

During his time in Notts he took charge of the Bathley box just north of newark northgate on the ECML. The box still stands although is no longer used as i believe Carlton box controls that stretch now.

Anyway, the story goes something like this.....The night before christmas eve around 2 a.m my great uncle was paying a call of nature as he headed back up the box steps he heard the thundering hooves of a horse approaching the crossing from bathley lane.

He looked upto see what he described as a man on horse back, black cape, and hat riding for his life....He flew across the level crossing...right underneath my uncle les's nose and on towards what was the old great north road (now A1) then just disappear into thin air!!!

Needless to say my great uncle made himself a pot of tea and sat and thought about what he'd seen. Never told a colleague of it, only my grandad over a pint in the pub!!!

True or not??? Who knows, maybe grandad was just trying to scare me as a child :D
 

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OK, if you're happy with stuff that a moment's thought would show couldn't possibly have happened (such as BR not running trains becasue of 'unexplained phenomina'), then so be it. But don't you have any concious to truth?
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I'm recounting something that was told to me as described by that person.


And you didn't stop to think "hang on, ghost stories are one thing but that couldn't possibly have happened as organisations such as BR don't work that way. I'll bin that". You just unthinkingly posted it.

You are perfectly entitled to do just that, of course. But don't you have any personal integrity? Would you post anything someone tells you without evaluating it first? The thing that makes a ghost story (any story) work is that it must have an element of believability, and leave the reader thinking "crikey, if that wasn't really something supernatural, what the heck was it?"

You accuse me of insulting you, but I turn that right back at you and accuse you of insulting my intelligence by expecting me to swallow something that a moment's thought would show self-evidently never happened.
 
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This thread is intended for people to post their stories of unusual experiences that may seem unbelievable and be seen to suggest “paranormal activity”. It’s not intended to be a serious admonition that ghosts do or do not exist, just a bit of fun where individuals can relate their interesting stories of such experiences. I am sceptical toward the existence of ghosts and ghoulies, but I find the stories that have been posted on here fascinating and I love nothing more than a good story.

No-one here is ignoring the rationale of logical thinking when it comes to the paranormal: I’ve had the occasional peculiar experience myself in the past that may or may not have been something paranormal, but the chances are that such instances probably can be logically explained. That doesn’t mean that something like that doesn’t make a good tale!

And BR must have had some reason for renumbering 47216 to 47299 for no conveivable reason: That it was on the advice of a clairvoyant predicting a future collision has now passed into folklore, whether it's correct or not: It doesn't matter if that is the real reason, it's a great story anyway, like many others on here!
 

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Many 'stories' do have some degree of basis in fact, or are a mix of elements from different sources, put together over time and retelling. Perhaps I worded my entry poorly, I was seeking to see if anyone had come across similar stories, or incidents or events which may give rise to such stories. I'm not claiming it as a statement of fact, merely passing on a story as told to me, to share with others for their enjoyment. Therefore I am in no way insulting anyone's intelligence (apart from those who can't understand the concept of the thread, which is to do with stories or accounts of claims of haunting on our railways). It's for fun and amusement, and if that's not your cup of tea that's fair enough, you don't have to contribute or continue reading. Some people believe in the supernatural and others don't. Some people have religious beliefs which are different from others. Some people have no religious beliefs. That's their choice and they're entitled to make their own choice. However, I believe one should respect the beliefs of others, and their right to have those beliefs, whether or not you agree with or share them. You don't believe, which is fine with me and I have no problem with that. What I do have a problem with is your insulting attitude towards myself and others simply because we don't share your exact mindset on the subject.
 

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OK, so, hopefully someone will be able to elaborate on this, and tell whether there's any truth to it. I was told this story a few years ago (between 1999 and 2001) by a resident in a care home I worked at who was en ex-railway man.

He told me that no trains are permitted to ever pass through the Standedge Tunnels near Huddersfield travelling eastwards between 10:05 and 10:15 at night, ever. The reason was that strange things had happened to trains in the tunnels between these times. Namely that all electric lights, and previously even gas / paraffin lamps, always extinguished shortly after entering the tunnel, and the train would mysteriously feel like it's trying to slow or stop. The enginemen always had to fight the controls in the dark to keep the train moving, as they always felt an instinct that if the train stopped then something terrible would happen. This only ever happened when trains were travelling eastwards in the tunnel between five-past-ten and quarter-past-ten at night. After numerous incidents over the years, British Rail management declared a moratorium on such movements between those times in the mid to late 1980s, and as no train has ever passed through between those times since, no further incidents have ever been reported. The old man told me that there had been records throughout the time of the nationalised railways of these incident occurring, and some records from before nationalisation, but it wasn't until (for him) relatively recently that the reports were taken seriously, and BR issued the moratorium on such movements.

I've checked several times and never found anything written about this on-line. I'd actually forgotten it until I recently took a trip to York from Manchester and passed through the tunnel and the memory came back to me of my old resident.

I really like that story, thanks for posting it! It's great to see a story that is relateable to current operating practices:

I've had a peruse of the Transpennine and Northern rail timetables that operate through Standedge, and it doesn't seem impossible, though of course given that most timetables are regular interval then it's completely plausible that there wouldn't be any trains through the tunnel in that ten minute window.

There's a northbound North TPE service that looks like it would be in the tunnel on the cusp of five past ten, I would imagine that if it's running late it's unlikely that the train would be held at Stalybridge for 5-10 minutes before heading through the tunnel! Shame really...:(

Though I'd be quite happy to have a couple of drinks in Manchester (just to heighten the senses ;)) then board the 21:42 from Manchester Piccadilly on Halloween for the run through Standedge Tunnel for a bit of fun! :D
 

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I'm not claiming it as a statement of fact, merely passing on a story as told to me, to share with others for their enjoyment. Therefore I am in no way insulting anyone's intelligence (apart from those who can't understand the concept of the thread, which is to do with stories or accounts of claims of haunting on our railways). It's for fun and amusement, and if that's not your cup of tea that's fair enough, you don't have to contribute or continue reading. Some people believe in the supernatural and others don't.

Quite. But that wasn't my point, as I think you know (if not, re-read my last post).
 

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I think it was on Radio One yesterday when they mentioned that a kid had asked his religious mother why dinosaurs were not in the Bible :D

I'm still undecided about psychics and all of that. Most of it is bull and just reading people and standard answers which could apply to anyone rather than communicating with the dead but there are a couple of good ones out there such as Lisa Williams who comes across well on TV (be strange if she didn't I suppose).
 

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Logic tells me that spirits and ghiosts are a scientific impossibility. But I think that most people have a deep seated psychological desire to believe in the afterlife. Whether this is due to natural human feelings, upbringing or some other factor I don't know, but there is a little bit of me that wants to believe that death is not the end!
 

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Logic tells me that spirits and ghiosts are a scientific impossibility. But I think that most people have a deep seated psychological desire to believe in the afterlife. Whether this is due to natural human feelings, upbringing or some other factor I don't know, but there is a little bit of me that wants to believe that death is not the end!

Greenback, it is just human arrogance. We really can't believe that one day we, as erudite, smart beings who have learned so much during our lives, will simply cease to exist. Our egos say that would be such a waste, and the 'soul' must surely live on after death of the body.

But if we are honest, we should see that that is tosh. We really are nowt special - others just as capapble (maybe more) so will replace us. Dissapointing, but there it is. When you die, you rot.

As for the essential 'you', well, that's what procreation is about - having children is as close as you can get to life after death, as a bit of 'you' will live on in them. In short, your children are where you go when you die.
 

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I recommend reading, The attack of the unsinkable rubber ducks, by Christopher Brookmyre. A very amusing insight into the world of psychics and the like. It is fictional, but thouroughly researched in its content.
 

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Can you really imagine an organisation (even one like BR) bowing to some unexplained phenomina and refraining from running trains because of it?

Why do many buildings have no floor 13 since there is clearly no logical reason behind it?

Just because you don't believe in something doesn't mean no one else can. By forcing your own views and beliefs down other's throats, you're being just as narrow minded and arrogant as those you're criticising and being quite insulting to at times.
 

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I know, that Virgin Atlantic do not have a row 13 on their planes. Well I know for a fact about A340-600s :)
 

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Itailian Airport Terminals/Railway Stations have no. 17 (platform/gate etc), and houses go 15, 16, 16a, 18 etc. Also, 13 is considered highly unlucky - it's just superstition :D
 

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It is just superstition. But go on, apply your brain (it doesn't take much) and tell me why hotels don't have room 13s, and Virgin don't have row 13? And why is this different to BR imposing operating restrictions on themselves because of 'something unknown'? Go on, think! It's dead obvious, but if you really don't see it, scroll down and I'll tell you.
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Some hotel customers and airline passegers are superstitious. It costs the hotels nowt not to have a room numbered 13, and it costs Virgin nowt to miss out 13 when they number the rows in an aeroplane. If they don't do that and their competitors do, they'd lose those superstitious customers to the competitors. So they do it - it's a 'no brainer'.

BR limiting their operating flexibility for superstitious reasons would be quite different. It would cost them money in introducing a limit of track usage. More importantly, if the electrical and power losses really are happening, they HAVE to find out why, as it idicates a fault in the infrastructure that might get seriously worse.

There, wasn't difficult, was it?:D
 

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However it works to the the advantage of others. It's always quieter on board flights on Friday the 13th. :D

Now let me recount something strange. One night, someone dreams (in perfect detail, almost like watching a video) of a sequence of events. He sees an unusual event on a street (someone carrying a double-bass say), turns a corner, gets hit in the face by a pigeon and wakes up. A few days later, he sees the person with the double-bass, turns the corner, <SMACK> This was perfectly clear, exactly the same to the last detail. Any explanation?

Now, how about someone who has had similar experiences before? Sees the double-bass, then stops dead. Pigeon whips past, only to be grabbed by a peregrine a few seconds later. Has he changed the future?
 

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Now, how about someone who has had similar experiences before? Sees the double-bass, then stops dead. Pigeon whips past, only to be grabbed by a peregrine a few seconds later. Has he changed the future?

Nah. Peregines are patient - it'd have got the pidgeon either way. :D
 

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Unearthing an old thread to say that in the science of human consciousness we're at the very beginning of knowing what we 'are'. Until we have much more reliable frames of reference of what we humans think of as perception, anything is possible. I certainly believe people educated, unbiased people see 'ghosts' as well as the gullible but I have no idea what they are.

As we're still in the nursery stage of consciousness awareness it seems absurd to write anything off prematurely.
 
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