Peterborough - Hook van Holland SailRail valid via London?

[SeanG]

As per the thread title, would a sailrail ticket from Peterborough - Hook van Holland be valid into Kings Cross/Moorgate and then out of Liverpool Street, or would I need to go via Ely & Ipswich?

I've checked routing from Peterborough to Harwich and this appears to be valid via London but I'm not sure if this will apply to the SailRail too.

 

[Haywain]

The lack of a cross-London marker on the route would suggest that it is not intended to be routed via London.

 

[alholmes]

According to the T&Cs at https://www.greateranglia.co.uk/tickets-fares/discounts/rail-and-sail-holland

• Tickets are available for travel to and from Harwich International and any station served by Greater Anglia trains.
  Stations such as Peterborough, which are not operated by Greater Anglia but are served by Greater Anglia trains, are included, but only Greater Anglia trains may be used. All main line services on the London to Harwich route are operated by Greater Anglia.

So no, not valid via Kings Cross or Moorgate.

 

[MarlowDonkey]

According to the T&Cs at https://www.greateranglia.co.uk/tickets-fares/discounts/rail-and-sail-holland

• Tickets are available for travel to and from Harwich International and any station served by Greater Anglia trains.
  Stations such as Peterborough, which are not operated by Greater Anglia but are served by Greater Anglia trains, are included, but only Greater Anglia trains may be used. All main line services on the London to Harwich route are operated by Greater Anglia.

So no, not valid via Kings Cross or Moorgate.

Splitting at Liverpool Street is obviously possible. Would "London Terminals" be valid to Liverpool Street via Kings Cross? Otherwise London U1 would have to be the destination.

 

[Haywain]

Would "London Terminals" be valid to Liverpool Street via Kings Cross?

No.

Otherwise London U1 would have to be the destination.

It would, if through travel was required. However, using contactless for the underground is likely to be cheaper (walking from Moorgate would be cheaper still!).

 

[Watershed]

Would "London Terminals" be valid to Liverpool Street via Kings Cross?

If you're referring to a Peterborough to London Terminals route "Any Permitted" ticket, this would indeed be valid to Liverpool Street via Cambridge and Bishops Stortford, not that it's a particularly quick route.

Alternatively it could be used to Moorgate, either on the Underground from Kings Cross under interavailability arrangements, or on Great Northern services from Finsbury Park.

 

[Tetchytyke]

Splitting at Liverpool Street is obviously possible. Would "London Terminals" be valid to Liverpool Street via Kings Cross? Otherwise London U1 would have to be the destination.

I see no reason why you couldn't go Peterborough-Ely-Cambridge-Liverpool Street-Harwich on this ticket, but I've no idea if that would be quicker or slower than going via Ipswich.

Alternatively it could be used to Moorgate, either on the Underground from Kings Cross under interavailability arrangements, or on Great Northern services from Finsbury Park.

I'm going to preface this by saying it will be quicker to take the surface route from Moorgate to Liverpool Street.

But what is the score with exiting Moorgate via Liverpool Street Elizabeth Line platforms?

 

[Watershed]

I'm going to preface this by saying it will be quicker to take the surface route from Moorgate to Liverpool Street.

Under almost all circumstances, absolute.y

But what is the score with exiting Moorgate via Liverpool Street Elizabeth Line platforms?

I can't see how you could lawfully be refused exit as you would hold a valid ticket for the train journey you've made, and you haven't travelled beyond its validity merely by using an entrance labelled as belonging to a different station.

Of course, the barrier staff may well have other ideas and I've certainly had my fair share of difficulties trying to use the Liverpool Street barriers on tickets whose validity should be uncontroversial...

As it happens, such a ticket would also be valid to Liverpool Street on the Central line or Elizabeth line coming from Stratford (you're permitted to travel via Cambridge, Tottenham Hale and Stratford), so it should be accepted regardless.

 

[Nicholas43]

But the OP was asking about a sail&rail ticket sold by Stena, and post #3 gave a definitive answer.

 

[SeanG]

According to the T&Cs at https://www.greateranglia.co.uk/tickets-fares/discounts/rail-and-sail-holland

• Tickets are available for travel to and from Harwich International and any station served by Greater Anglia trains.
  Stations such as Peterborough, which are not operated by Greater Anglia but are served by Greater Anglia trains, are included, but only Greater Anglia trains may be used. All main line services on the London to Harwich route are operated by Greater Anglia.

So no, not valid via Kings Cross or Moorgate.

Thanks. Sorry I should have read these prior to posting.

 

[Tetchytyke]

But the OP was asking about a sail&rail ticket sold by Stena, and post #3 gave a definitive answer.

The conversation moved on to a split ticket, i.e. would Peterborough-London Terminals allow the OP to travel to Moorgate to then allow a speedy transfer to a Sail&Rail ticket from Liverpool Street.

As an aside, those terms and conditions are barely literate:

Tickets are available for travel to and from Harwich International and any station served by Greater Anglia trains.
Stations such as Peterborough, which are not operated by Greater Anglia but are served by Greater Anglia trains, are included, but only Greater Anglia trains may be used. All main line services on the London to Harwich route are operated by Greater Anglia.

Surely they should have just said "only valid on Greater Anglia trains"?

As it stands, the T&Cs imply that the ticket is valid on non-GA trains if you commence your journey from a station which is "operated by Greater Anglia". Such as Whittlesea, one stop down the line from Peterborough. I sincerely doubt that's what GA meant.

 

[SeanG]

That's a good point but not one I'm going to test out!

We are wanting to book 2x FIP on the boat (these people will pay PRIV from London - Harwich and can just buy tickets at Liverpool Street) and 1x Sailrail from Peterborough - Hook Van Holland, and all be in the same three berth cabin.
Does anyone know the best/cheapest way to do this?

 

[janb]

To book FIP you have to phone Stena on 01255 202352 so you'd have to ask them if they could do a RailSail at the same time.

Link to RST Travel Tips for Europe which contains the above phone number

https://www.raildeliverygroup.com/images/RST/RST_Travel_Tips_for_Europe_v67.pdf

 

[trebor79]

The boat is great. Just be prepared for a rude awakening from Bobby McFerrin!