Peterborough in the 1980s

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hexagon789

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Does Anyone know what services would have run through Peterborough in the 1980s
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Could you be more specific? Are you looking for passenger services/freight in terms of routes (the former isn't that different) or are you looking more for a comparison of the timetable in general compared to now?
 

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Depends on which part of the 1980s due to ECML electrification.
After electrification

Could you be more specific? Are you looking for passenger services/freight in terms of routes (the former isn't that different) or are you looking more for a comparison of the timetable in general compared to now?
What types of train and rolling stock and routes
 

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There were often Prestwins standing in the sidings to the west, carrying fly ash from power stations I believe.

Not sure if they lasted as late as electrification, but earlier in the 1980s you'd often see Cravens 105, Met-Camm 101s and other DMUs on services into East Anglia and as far as Birmingham. There were also some east-west services formed of early Mk2 stock, typically hauled by Class 31s. In 1988 however the regional expresses went over to 156s.
 

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Sorry, not personally.
Thats ok
There were often Prestwins standing in the sidings to the west, carrying fly ash from power stations I believe.

Not sure if they lasted as late as electrification, but earlier in the 1980s you'd often see Cravens 105, Met-Camm 101s and other DMUs on services into East Anglia and as far as Birmingham. There were also some east-west services formed of early Mk2 stock, typically hauled by Class 31s. In 1988 however the regional expresses went over to 156s.
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Thanks do you also know what types of freight were around then as well
Mostly same types as now - intermodal and aggregates mainly, just fewer trains than today, plus some Speedlink wagonload, parcels, mail and engineering trains. Mostly hauled by 47s (the intermodals in particular), 56s, 58s, 31s and 37s.
 

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Seasonal loadings of sugar beet by products (beet pulp) from the local sugar factory to Scotland in block trains of VDA etc vans - Aberdeen and Deanside being key destinations. Traffic even ran on the day after Boxing Day.
 

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Mostly same types as now - intermodal and aggregates mainly, just fewer trains than today, plus some Speedlink wagonload, parcels, mail and engineering trains. Mostly hauled by 47s (the intermodals in particular), 56s, 58s, 31s and 37s.
Seasonal loadings of sugar beet by products (beet pulp) from the local sugar factory to Scotland in block trains of VDA etc vans - Aberdeen and Deanside being key destinations. Traffic even ran on the day after Boxing Day.
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Very busy for parcels, mail and freight, speed link services, car trains, freightliners, sleepers. All 31, 37 or 47 hauled with occasional 40. There were loco hauled commuter services to and from London in the peaks in the early 80s also. Night time on ECML was busy in the 80s. There’s a few videos on youtube for this very topic
 

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Very busy for parcels, mail and freight, speed link services, car trains, freightliners, sleepers. All 31, 37 or 47 hauled with occasional 40. There were loco hauled commuter services to and from London in the peaks in the early 80s also. Night time on ECML was busy in the 80s. There’s a few videos on youtube for this very topic
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Good question, from the May 1988 timetable looking at the WTTs I have
Which was meant be a temporary thing as they were electrifying the ECML at the time hence they were diverted to use Euston instead, the plan at the time was always for the East Coast sleepers to return to Kings Cross but for whatever reason they didn't take it up hence why the sleepers go from Euston today.
 

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Which was meant be a temporary thing as they were electrifying the ECML at the time hence they were diverted to use Euston instead, the plan at the time was always for the East Coast sleepers to return to Kings Cross but for whatever reason they didn't take it up hence why the sleepers go from Euston today.
I think part of the reason was the continued decline of Sleeper service patronage. By the time ECML electrification was complete the London-Scottish Sleeper services were all down to once a night each way, so re-introducing ECML services would have split demand and added costs for little benefit.
 

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91s and HSTs on Intercity. Think some 312s were around then. Maybe 317s.
I'm not able to post the link, but ironically enough at home this morning I was watching some footage of Peterborough on YouTube. it was dated 1988 and concurs with your comment about passenger services. There were indeed 312 and 317 units in use; also a mixture of 1st and 2nd gen DMU's in service. Freight/parcels traffic was covered by a mixture of loco classes, and the odd parcels DMU (Cl.105 conversion) appears.
 

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I'm not able to post the link, but ironically enough at home this morning I was watching some footage of Peterborough on YouTube. it was dated 1988 and concurs with your comment about passenger services. There were indeed 312 and 317 units in use; also a mixture of 1st and 2nd gen DMU's in service. Freight/parcels traffic was covered by a mixture of loco classes, and the odd parcels DMU (Cl.105 conversion) appears.
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prior to electrification reaching Peterborough the peak hour Kings Cross to Peterborough could produce anything from a 32 to a 55 hauling Mk 1 or Mk 2, wasnt unkown for a 46 hauling an air con rake with the drop lights wedged open in summer for ventilation. The advent of the 317;s upon electrification didnt go down to well with commuters being subjected to 2 + 3 seating on the 317's
 

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prior to electrification reaching Peterborough the peak hour Kings Cross to Peterborough could produce anything from a 32 to a 55 hauling Mk 1 or Mk 2, wasnt unkown for a 46 hauling an air con rake with the drop lights wedged open in summer for ventilation. The advent of the 317;s upon electrification didnt go down to well with commuters being subjected to 2 + 3 seating on the 317's
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