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May 22nd will see the 105th anniversary of the UK’s worst railway accident, at Quintinshill, just north of Gretna, when a southbound troop train collided with a stationary local train and a northbound express ploughed into the wreckage. The death toll, mainly soldiers in the troop train, was 226 or 227; there is some debate because the battalion roll was lost in the ensuing fire.

Should the accident get a mention in the mainstream media, there will probably be a comment that that among the dead were three or four children who were never identified and were therefore presumed to be ‘stowaways’. No matter how often this tale is repeated, I question whether the story is an urban myth.

The origin of the tale seems to be a comment in what is, perhaps, the best book on the disaster, John Thomas’s ‘Gretna, Britain’s Worst Railway Disaster’, published in 1969. He mentions that at a drill hall used as a mortuary, one of the coffins bore a label inscribed ‘little girl, unrecognisable’ and another ‘three trunks, probably children’. The bodies were buried in a Glasgow cemetery. John Thomas provides no source for this comment and does not mention the children in the chapter on Quintinshill in his book ‘Obstruction Danger’, first published only 22 years after the disaster.

An equally readable account of the accident is J.A.B. Hamilton’s ‘Britain’s Greatest Rail Disaster, The Quintinshill Blaze of 1915’ also published in 1969. Hamilton’s style is very much to highlight the personal side of accidents and it would be natural for him to mention the children. (For example, he records that in the immediate aftermath of the crash the son of a signalman at Gretna Green was killed in a motor accident calling this ‘a little tragedy swallowed up in a vaster one’.) Instead, he makes the contrary point: ‘It is a remarkable fact that not a single one of the dead was a woman unless it might have been one of the two passengers killed in the local’. His books ‘British Steam Accidents 1906-1960’ and ‘Britain’s Railways in World War I’ refer to Quintinshill but do not mention unidentified children.

Tom Rolt’s ‘Red for Danger’ and O.S. Nock’s ‘Historic Railway Disasters’ and ‘The Caledonian Railway’ are equally silent about stowaways. The official report on the accident, published in September 1915, refers only to a total of 82 ‘Other bodies recovered but unrecognisable’.

The story seems to have re-emerged in June 2011 when a Scottish councillor (known for his interest in UFOs) arranged for a monument to be erected in Glasgow’s Western Necropolis to ‘the lost children of Maryhill, tragic victims of the Quintinshill disaster, sadly never named or claimed’. Press coverage suggested that some children went missing from the Maryhill district of Glasgow at the time the troop train was being loaded nearby. There is no explanation of why their disappearance was not reported or how they boarded a train under Army control.

In 2013 the story was included in ‘The Quintinshill Conspiracy’ by Jack Richards and Adrian Searle. Personally I find the thesis put forward in this book, that there was a widespread conspiracy to hide the ‘real truth’ behind the disaster, as totally unconvincing. The stowaway story is mentioned though in this account the coffin containing the body parts carried a label saying ‘three trunks possibly children’.

To be fair, the authors make clear that the story of children travelling on the troop train is probably a myth. Instead, they offer an alternative explanation which they find ‘highly plausible’: the children and their Mother were travellers on the express train, going to visit relatives in Glasgow before emigrating to Canada. The family name is quoted. In 2017, a member of this family supported this story which he said could be proven true by testing the remains for DNA. There is no record this was carried out.

It is not unknown for undertakers to put a note on a coffin to aid identification but the very fact that one coffin was being used for the remains of three of the dead illustrates the extent to which bodies had been damaged in the crash. It should also be remembered that the average height of adults in the early part of the twentieth century was much less than today. Soldiers could be as young as 15 and a blind eye turned to official height requirements. Estimating age from the trunk of a body, particularly by doctors overwhelmed by the number of dead, may have been largely guess work.

Nevertheless, I have no doubt the tale will be repeated even though, unless someone has further, factual information, the origin of the tale seems to be just one sentence in John Thomas’s book.
 
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A very poignant story . I have been to see the grave in Leith where many of the Soldiers from the Highland Territorial Battalion came from. They were on their way eventually to Gallipoli where no doubt many of them would have died or been injured in any case. Nevertheless a considerable tragedy for many thousands of families.
 

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May 22nd will see the 105th anniversary of the UK’s worst railway accident, at Quintinshill, just north of Gretna, when a southbound troop train collided with a stationary local train and a northbound express ploughed into the wreckage. The death toll, mainly soldiers in the troop train, was 226 or 227; there is some debate because the battalion roll was lost in the ensuing fire.

Should the accident get a mention in the mainstream media, there will probably be a comment that that among the dead were three or four children who were never identified and were therefore presumed to be ‘stowaways’. No matter how often this tale is repeated, I question whether the story is an urban myth.

The origin of the tale seems to be a comment in what is, perhaps, the best book on the disaster, John Thomas’s ‘Gretna, Britain’s Worst Railway Disaster’, published in 1969. He mentions that at a drill hall used as a mortuary, one of the coffins bore a label inscribed ‘little girl, unrecognisable’ and another ‘three trunks, probably children’. The bodies were buried in a Glasgow cemetery. John Thomas provides no source for this comment and does not mention the children in the chapter on Quintinshill in his book ‘Obstruction Danger’, first published only 22 years after the disaster.

An equally readable account of the accident is J.A.B. Hamilton’s ‘Britain’s Greatest Rail Disaster, The Quintinshill Blaze of 1915’ also published in 1969. Hamilton’s style is very much to highlight the personal side of accidents and it would be natural for him to mention the children. (For example, he records that in the immediate aftermath of the crash the son of a signalman at Gretna Green was killed in a motor accident calling this ‘a little tragedy swallowed up in a vaster one’.) Instead, he makes the contrary point: ‘It is a remarkable fact that not a single one of the dead was a woman unless it might have been one of the two passengers killed in the local’. His books ‘British Steam Accidents 1906-1960’ and ‘Britain’s Railways in World War I’ refer to Quintinshill but do not mention unidentified children.

Tom Rolt’s ‘Red for Danger’ and O.S. Nock’s ‘Historic Railway Disasters’ and ‘The Caledonian Railway’ are equally silent about stowaways. The official report on the accident, published in September 1915, refers only to a total of 82 ‘Other bodies recovered but unrecognisable’.

The story seems to have re-emerged in June 2011 when a Scottish councillor (known for his interest in UFOs) arranged for a monument to be erected in Glasgow’s Western Necropolis to ‘the lost children of Maryhill, tragic victims of the Quintinshill disaster, sadly never named or claimed’. Press coverage suggested that some children went missing from the Maryhill district of Glasgow at the time the troop train was being loaded nearby. There is no explanation of why their disappearance was not reported or how they boarded a train under Army control.

In 2013 the story was included in ‘The Quintinshill Conspiracy’ by Jack Richards and Adrian Searle. Personally I find the thesis put forward in this book, that there was a widespread conspiracy to hide the ‘real truth’ behind the disaster, as totally unconvincing. The stowaway story is mentioned though in this account the coffin containing the body parts carried a label saying ‘three trunks possibly children’.

To be fair, the authors make clear that the story of children travelling on the troop train is probably a myth. Instead, they offer an alternative explanation which they find ‘highly plausible’: the children and their Mother were travellers on the express train, going to visit relatives in Glasgow before emigrating to Canada. The family name is quoted. In 2017, a member of this family supported this story which he said could be proven true by testing the remains for DNA. There is no record this was carried out.

It is not unknown for undertakers to put a note on a coffin to aid identification but the very fact that one coffin was being used for the remains of three of the dead illustrates the extent to which bodies had been damaged in the crash. It should also be remembered that the average height of adults in the early part of the twentieth century was much less than today. Soldiers could be as young as 15 and a blind eye turned to official height requirements. Estimating age from the trunk of a body, particularly by doctors overwhelmed by the number of dead, may have been largely guess work.

Nevertheless, I have no doubt the tale will be repeated even though, unless someone has further, factual information, the origin of the tale seems to be just one sentence in John Thomas’s book.
Very interesting. I‘m sure that you’re right and it will be mentioned again.
Is there a chance that a DNA test could possibly be done if the will was there do you think?
 

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There is a memorial plaque on Platform One at Larbert station in Central Scotland where the Southbound troop train had set off from.

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There is a memorial plaque on Platform One at Larbert station in Central Scotland where the Southbound troop train had set off from.

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I didn't know about this plaque but when we can travel I am definitely going to visit. Thank you for the information.
 

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Slightly off topic, but the county of Dumfries and Galloway has suffered the worst rail accident, worse air accident and worse ferry accident in terms of numbers of deaths. Or so I'm told.
Rail - Quintishall - 1915 - 226 deaths
Air - Lockerbie - 1988 - 259 deaths
Ferry - MV Princess Victoria in 1953 - 133 lives lost
 

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Slightly off topic, but the county of Dumfries and Galloway has suffered the worst rail accident, worse air accident and worse ferry accident in terms of numbers of deaths. Or so I'm told.
Rail - Quintishall - 1915 - 226 deaths
Air - Lockerbie - 1988 - 259 deaths
Ferry - MV Princess Victoria in 1953 - 133 lives lost
That’s an interesting statistic. I suppose one thing to say is that a low percentage of people involved in those disasters would have actually come from the area?
 

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Never heard of the Princess Victoria until I looked it up just now - an early example of the instability of ro-ro ferries if water gets onto the car deck. But Wikipedia suggests that although it set out from Stranraer it actually went down closer to Northern Ireland. Lockerbie is the most serious terrorist attack in the UK and the most serious air crash but some would not classify it as an accident.
 

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I didn't know about this plaque but when we can travel I am definitely going to visit. Thank you for the information.

Me neither and I got stuck their for a bit of a fester a few years back so sorry I didn't notice it.
I pass Quintinshill when at work and it's hard to imagine the disaster that took place at such a peaceful location.
 

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There is another memorial plaque located on the road overbridge at Quintinshill itself and others in Gretna
 

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If the bodies of unidentified children were found, why would it be necessary to ask how they came to be on the troop train? They could have been on one of the other two trains.

I wonder if the origin of this story about unidentified children comes from some writer in the past confusing it with the Charfield disaster of 1928. There has always been a story of two unidentified children killed at Chalfield, based on the fact that there were two small coffins placed in the ground after the disaster in addition to the adult ones. However in more recent years this has been denied; from Wikipedia : "Archie Ayres was the local carpenter in 1928 .... He made the coffins for the fifteen people killed in the train crash. According to his daughter, Mrs Smith (née Ayres) in 1999, he made thirteen coffins plus two small boxes. The latter contained the remains that could not be associated with particular individuals".

I understand that the death toll at Quintinhill was made worse by the fact that many of the troops who disembarked from their train after the first collision, particularly from the less damaged rear end, lingered on the opposite track or close to it and were struck by the third train and the flying wreckage caused by it; a trait seen in passengers disembarking between stations (for whatever reason) up to the present day.
 

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Never heard of the Princess Victoria until I looked it up just now - an early example of the instability of ro-ro ferries if water gets onto the car deck. But Wikipedia suggests that although it set out from Stranraer it actually went down closer to Northern Ireland. Lockerbie is the most serious terrorist attack in the UK and the most serious air crash but some would not classify it as an accident.

To a certain extent the devastating damage to the town of Lockerbie was accidental, had the plane left London on time it would have been well over the Atlantic before it was destroyed which was believed to be the terrorists' plan.
 

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To a certain extent the devastating damage to the town of Lockerbie was accidental, had the plane left London on time it would have been well over the Atlantic before it was destroyed which was believed to be the terrorists' plan.

It’s interesting that places like Lockerbie, Hungerford, Dunblane seem likely to be forever associated with what happened there, although perhaps this may fade away as it’s one of those things more relevant to people who were alive at the time and remember it first-hand.

By contrast Quintinshill or Harrow & Wealdstone will be known by very few.
 

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It’s interesting that places like Lockerbie, Hungerford, Dunblane seem likely to be forever associated with what happened there, although perhaps this may fade away as it’s one of those things more relevant to people who were alive at the time and remember it first-hand.

By contrast Quintinshill or Harrow & Wealdstone will be known by very few.

Being perhaps a bit cold-blooded about the matter: is it maybe to do with how much, or little, a place is "on people's radar" in general? The first three places mentioned above are obscure-ish towns whose chief renown nowadays, hangs on the horrible things which happened there; but a good many people will be, and will have been, aware of them in other contexts. In contrast: Quintinshill is a highly obscure hamlet of which -- a century-plus after the rail disaster -- almost no-one is likely to have heard unless they live in the vicinity, or are "into" railways and / or the First World War. The opposite could be seen as true of Harrow (the appended Wealdstone bit, seemingly gets overlooked): it's a place of which very many people are aware, in a variety of connections -- tending to "drown out" a railway accident, no matter how bad a one, now anyway nearly seventy years in the past.
 

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wasn't there a report of un-id children in the Tay bridge disaster?...
and regarding Quintinshill, I travelled north to Edinburgh last November, and made I point of looking for it but missed the site completely...
 

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wasn't there a report of un-id children in the Tay bridge disaster?...
and regarding Quintinshill, I travelled north to Edinburgh last November, and made I point of looking for it but missed the site completely...
It's easy enough to spot going north. Look out for Gretna Junction to the left (which is also the border) and a few minutes later there are loops both sides.
 

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Lest we forget - Britain's worst rail accident (by far) was 105 years ago today at Quintinshill, near Gretna. 226 died, mostly from the 1/7th Battalion, Royal Scots.
 

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Weren’t the children actually on the two carriage local train shunted across to allow them troop train to pass, which was then struck ?
 

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Weren’t the children actually on the two carriage local train shunted across to allow them troop train to pass, which was then struck ?

The official report states that only two passengers on the local train were killed; none was injured. I have not heard that any unidentified bodies were recovered from the local. It has been suggested the unidentified ‘children’ were passengers on the express train but no credible evidence for this explanation has been put forward.

A recent comment on the website Scotianostra is, however, of particular interest:

‘My Granny laid out the body parts in the drill hall in Dalmeny Street. They had to try and approximate enough of a corpse from various pieces of these young men to hand over to the relatives’.

The Dalmeny Street drill hall in Leith was the headquarters of the 5th Volunteer Battalion, Royal Scots and was used as a mortuary after the accident.

I think there is little doubt that the remains of the ‘unidentified, stowaway children’ were in fact body parts from soldiers who could not be identified because the battalion roll was lost in the fire. Nevertheless, on the anniversary of the disaster the Glasgow ‘Herald’ reported, without qualification, ‘Some child stowaways, from Maryhill, Glasgow, were victims’ proving, if proof were needed, that the myth is still going strong.
 

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That's the thing with myths - once they've been created, there'll always be someone who wants to believe, and views any contrary views as a conspiracy by "them" to hush up the truth. And there'll always be lazy hacks on autopilot who promulgate the supposed facts in perpetuity. It's similar to the non-existent Marie Celeste getting coupled with any mysterious disappearance of people from somewhere.
 

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I wonder if any of the 'unidentified children' could have been soldiers from bantam battalions, who I think could be as short as short as 4'10: there's clearly the potential for error there.
 

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I wonder if any of the 'unidentified children' could have been soldiers from bantam battalions, who I think could be as short as short as 4'10: there's clearly the potential for error there.
I wouldn't have thought so, this was a Territorial Battalion so most of the men I would suggest would have been involved pre war. Bantam Battalions were formed from men who volunteered after the war had begun, often miners or from those areas.
Doesn't rule out some of the soldiers would have been of a shorter stature, particularly as compared with men today.
 

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Monday of next week will see the anniversary of Britain’s worst rail disaster, at Quintinshill, near Gretna on the border between England and Scotland.

In the early hours of 22 May 1915, a Saturday, 227 passengers were killed and 246 were injured.

I doubt whether any new information on this tragedy will now come to light. The best account is still ‘Gretna, Britain’s Worst Railway Disaster’ by John Thomas, published in 1969. A close second is ‘Britain’s Greatest Rail Disaster’ by J A B Hamilton, also published in 1969. The worst account is undoubtedly ‘The Quintinshill Conspiracy’ by Jack Richards and Andrew Searle (2013) that tries, and fails, to prove there was a cover up. You can buy a second hand copy for £1.06; it is over-priced.

Should any newspaper comment on the anniversary, no doubt there will also be reports that among the dead were four children, stowaways on one of the trains when it left Glasgow. There is no hard evidence for this ‘fact’ but it is still repeated from time to time.
 

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Probably similar to the oft-repeated statement that two unknown children were killed in the Charfield crash in 1928. This is almost certain to be untrue: the only two children thought to have been on the train were (much) later traced, but one was only slightly injured and the other was unhurt.
 

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Also covered well (if briefly compared with the other references) in Tom Rolt's classic "Red for Danger" - still in print after sixty-eight years and essential reading (IMHO) for any serious student of railway safety.

Not mentioned by the OP is that most of the fatalities were members of the Royal Scots on their way to Gallipoli via Liverpool They were buried in Edinburgh, but I am afraid I don't know where, although I believe there is a memorial to them.
 

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Also covered well (if briefly compared with the other references) in Tom Rolt's classic "Red for Danger" - still in print after sixty-eight years and essential reading (IMHO) for any serious student of railway safety.

Not mentioned by the OP is that most of the fatalities were members of the Royal Scots on their way to Gallipoli via Liverpool They were buried in Edinburgh, but I am afraid I don't know where, although I believe there is a memorial to them.
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"A large memorial at the furthest point from the current Pilrig Street entrance, lying against Broughton Road wall near North Pilrig Heights, marks a mass grave and commemorates the Gretna rail disaster of 22 May 1915, in which 215 soldiers of the 1st/7th Battalion The Royal Scots were killed.[2] The men, mostly from Leith, were on their way to board ship at Liverpool in order to travel to the battlefront at Gallipoli. The handful of survivors were sent onwards the following day. The bodies of those killed in the railway disaster were returned to Leith and buried with great aplomb on 24 May with the 15th and 16th battalions Royal Scots serving as guard of honour. These are among 270 First World War casualties and 36 Second World War casualties interred at Rosebank.[4]"
 
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They were buried in Edinburgh, but I am afraid I don't know where, although I believe there is a memorial to them.
As well as the large memorial at Rosebank Cemetery in Edinburgh, mentioned above by @Wychwood93, there's also a commemorative plaque in the Southbound waiting room area at Larbert station, which location many of the soldiers had departed from.
 

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Monday of next week will see the anniversary of Britain’s worst rail disaster, at Quintinshill, near Gretna on the border between England and Scotland.

In the early hours of 22 May 1915, a Saturday, 227 passengers were killed and 246 were injured.

I doubt whether any new information on this tragedy will now come to light. The best account is still ‘Gretna, Britain’s Worst Railway Disaster’ by John Thomas, published in 1969. A close second is ‘Britain’s Greatest Rail Disaster’ by J A B Hamilton, also published in 1969. The worst account is undoubtedly ‘The Quintinshill Conspiracy’ by Jack Richards and Andrew Searle (2013) that tries, and fails, to prove there was a cover up. You can buy a second hand copy for £1.06; it is over-priced.

Should any newspaper comment on the anniversary, no doubt there will also be reports that among the dead were four children, stowaways on one of the trains when it left Glasgow. There is no hard evidence for this ‘fact’ but it is still repeated from time to time.
"The Quintinshill Conspiracy" is a load of tosh!
 

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And a plaque on the overbridge at Quintinshill itself. I was actually at Quintinshill site at 6.45 om the actual centenary of the disaster.
 
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