Rail Rangers

[polskism]

Does anyone know what Rail Ranger covers Wigan, Liverpool, Manchester and Wilmslow. Or would I have to purchase both the Lancashire Rail Ranger and Cheshire Rail Ranger.

 

[86247]

A Manchester wayfarer will cover Wigan,Manchester and wilmslow, also can be used to Earlestown then a all zone saveaway from there to Liverpool.prices are wayfarer £16.20 and the all zone saveaway £6.00.

 

[Mcr Warrior]

A Manchester wayfarer will cover Wigan,Manchester and wilmslow, also can be used to Earlestown then a all zone saveaway from there to Liverpool.prices are wayfarer £16.20 and the all zone saveaway £6.00.

GM Wayfarer is also valid to Warrington Central (but not Warrington West) albeit you'd then need a £8.00 Off Peak Day Return to get to Lime Street, so not quite as flexible.

 

[Llandudno]

A Manchester wayfarer will cover Wigan,Manchester and wilmslow, also can be used to Earlestown then a all zone saveaway from there to Liverpool.prices are wayfarer £16.20 and the all zone saveaway £6.00.

Presumably to use both the Wayfarer and a Saveaway the train has to stop at Earlestown, whereas a Wayfarer used in conjunction with a return ticket between Earlestown and Liverpool doesn’t…?

 

[NorthWestRover]

Wayfarer and Saveaway both valid at Newton-le-Willows which has more trains stopping than Earlestown.

 

[Watershed]

Presumably to use both the Wayfarer and a Saveaway the train has to stop at Earlestown, whereas a Wayfarer used in conjunction with a return ticket between Earlestown and Liverpool doesn’t…?

When using one or more zonal or area-based tickets, you can undertake non-stop splits. So you can take a non-stop train whether you're combining a Wayfarer and Saveaway, or a Wayfarer and return to Liverpool.

Under the current timetable it's almost entirely a moot point as all Manchester-Liverpool services on the Chat Moss but one (16:52 off Victoria) stop at Newton-le-Willows, where both tickets are valid in any event.

 

[Llandudno]

Didn’t realise you could use two rover tickets (as opposed to one rover ticket + standard ticket) on trains that don’t stop at the border station.

So presumably you can travel from Warrington Central to Burton on Trent using A TfGM Wayfarer and a Derbyshire Wayfarer on the EMR Express trains from Warrington to Sheffield and Cross-Country from Sheffield to Burton on Trent?

 

[Watershed]

Didn’t realise you could use two rover tickets (as opposed to one rover ticket + standard ticket) on trains that don’t stop at the border station.

So presumably you can travel from Warrington Central to Burton on Trent using A TfGM Wayfarer and a Derbyshire Wayfarer on the EMR Express trains from Warrington to Sheffield and Cross-Country from Sheffield to Burton on Trent?

Yes, non-stop combination of two rover etc. tickets used not to be permitted - but that changed with the introduction of the NRCoT in 2016. Equally, the NRCoT abolished the ability to string along multiple singles/returns with a rover etc.

Technically it could be said that non-stop splits aren't permitted when combining TfGM and Derbyshire Wayfarers, since the two have overlapping validity between Grindleford and Chinley (for trains that run via Stockport) and the NRCoT require that:

the last station at which one Ticket is valid and the first station that the other Ticket is valid are the same

...but in my eyes this would be an excessively literal reading of the condition. I cannot imagine a sensible reading resulting in the conclusion that tickets with overlapping validity eliminate the right to non-stop splits!

Bearing in mind this is a consumer contract I would have said this reading must prevail. In practice, I think it unlikely that any member of staff would be so familiar with the NRCoT as to even try and pull anyone up on it. It's more likely they would wrongly claim that non-stop splits aren't permitted in general, or (more likely, you'd hope) simply accept it as valid!

 

[Mcr Warrior]

So presumably you can travel from Warrington Central to Burton on Trent using A TfGM Wayfarer and a Derbyshire Wayfarer on the EMR Express trains from Warrington to Sheffield and Cross-Country from Sheffield to Burton on Trent?

And, at £31.60 in total, somewhat more cheaply than with, say, an Off Peak Single, which would be £47.20.

 

[Howardh]

Can this be clarified for me, if I got a bus+rail ticket to cover Greater Manchester, and a separate Stalybridge > Leeds return; I don't need to be on a train that stops at Stalybridge on return? I always assumed you did?

 

[Llandudno]

And, at £31.60 in total, somewhat more cheaply than with, say, an Off Peak Single, which would be £47.20.

Or Chorley to Burton on Trent £54.40 single!

Mind you split tickets are available for those in the know!

 

[Watershed]

Can this be clarified for me, if I got a bus+rail ticket to cover Greater Manchester, and a separate Stalybridge > Leeds return; I don't need to be on a train that stops at Stalybridge on return? I always assumed you did?

Most Greater Manchester tickets cover you further than just Stalybridge, but yes - you can undertake non-stop splits if one (or both) of your tickets is an area-based or zonal ticket, a ranger or rover, or a season ticket or concessionary pass.