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My mum had exactly this problem at Kilmarnock station. Ticket office closed, TVM couldn't give her pensioner ticket. Luckily the guard came through the train on this occasion so she was able to purchase from him and didn't have to queue at Glasgow Central
Here on the South Wales Valley Lines, over 60s concessionary bus passes entitle holders to 1/3 discount off-peak. From memory this is accessed on TVMs in the same way as Railcard discounts.
Pensioners and the disabled get free bus travel in England & Wales too. Yet many still use trains. And most of them are pretty good with technology too.
Up here the buses generally travel at 15 to 20mph and sit at timing points every mile or so. For us it's a 5 minute walk to the station and a 8 minute train ride to town, car takes 20 minutes (so about the same as the train with the walking at both ends) and the bus takes 45 to 50 minutes. I really don't understand why they go so slow as they are always well under the 30mph speed limit and just limp along, going via Timbuktu on the way in. The direct service was about 30 minutes but it got pulled years ago.
Absolutely no desire to take the bus at all, even if free.
My son qualifies for the Scottish free bus pass because of his age but he's not even interested.
Here on the South Wales Valley Lines, over 60s concessionary bus passes entitle holders to 1/3 discount off-peak. From memory this is accessed on TVMs in the same way as Railcard discounts.
Strathclyde concession tickets (which would be the one for Kilmarnock) aren't available at TVMs sadly - despite it being issued against an ITSO smartcard which is easily verifiable (and can be used by any ScotRail booking office to load ticketing products).
A more modern way of issuing this, perhaps using stored credit on the cards, would certainly help, as every station has validators - and the photocard would still need to be presented, therefore the risk of fraud is perhaps no greater than someone trying it on elsewhere - there's a good chance they'd get caught regardless.
The notable part of that poster is perhaps not even related to retail - under the table, it says "The changes proposed to the hours of this station may potentially impact the following: Reduced period of time the waiting area will be accessible".
Reducing amenity access, particularly in a station known for perhaps less than hospitable weather conditions at times, might not be a good idea.
The idea that this may be a potential impact suggests they don't know if they intend to schedule mobile staff in the area - in which case it'd probably just be the clerk no longer behind the window, but the ambiguity doesn't instil confidence.
The notable part of that poster is perhaps not even related to retail - under the table, it says "The changes proposed to the hours of this station may potentially impact the following: Reduced period of time the waiting area will be accessible".
Reducing amenity access, particularly in a station known for perhaps less than hospitable weather conditions at times, might not be a good idea.
The idea that this may be a potential impact suggests they don't know if they intend to schedule mobile staff in the area - in which case it'd probably just be the clerk no longer behind the window, but the ambiguity doesn't instil confidence.
This once again raises the issue that was identified up thread, not just on ScotRail, that the booking clerk is often the last member of staff on site. This means if they go you lose facilities such as toilets and waiting rooms as well as someone to handle queries etc. If you're keeping someone on site it seems to make sense that they can take money as well.
Of course if it's a complete closure you still need mobile staff for cleaning etc and that doesn't always represent a huge saving especially if you're off setting against loss of revenue both directly over the counter and from making rail a less attractive way of travelling.
Up here the buses generally travel at 15 to 20mph and sit at timing points every mile or so. For us it's a 5 minute walk to the station and a 8 minute train ride to town, car takes 20 minutes (so about the same as the train with the walking at both ends) and the bus takes 45 to 50 minutes. I really don't understand why they go so slow as they are always well under the 30mph speed limit and just limp along, going via Timbuktu on the way in. The direct service was about 30 minutes but it got pulled years ago.
Absolutely no desire to take the bus at all, even if free.
My son qualifies for the Scottish free bus pass because of his age but he's not even interested.
Appreciate this is a completely separate issue from ticket offices, but I do share your frustrations at how slow the buses are from Dyce. Only noticed last minute that a 1011 train on Tuesday was cancelled and I had to be in town for 11am. Made the mistake of catching the 17 - never again!
Appreciate this is a completely separate issue from ticket offices, but I do share your frustrations at how slow the buses are from Dyce. Only noticed last minute that a 1011 train on Tuesday was cancelled and I had to be in town for 11am. Made the mistake of catching the 17 - never again!
I like this idea in theory although SWR have quietly abandoned it & replaced those machines with standard TVM's. My worry would be that in practice it would end up like station help points on some operators, rare that they're actually working and that someone answers.
I fear you are right. It's one of those thing which sounds great in theory but in reality won't be of much use to passengers. If you could press an button on the TVM and be connected to a ticketing expert that would be ideal but we all know that in reality it'll be someone with limited ticketing knowledge, possibly reading from a bunch of scripts as you point out.
I fear you are right. It's one of those thing which sound great in theory but in reality won't be of much use to passengers. If you could press an button on the TVM and be connected to a ticketing expert that would be ideal but we all know that in reality it'll be someone with limited ticketing knowledge, possibly reading from a bunch of scripts as you point out.
The notable part of that poster is perhaps not even related to retail - under the table, it says "The changes proposed to the hours of this station may potentially impact the following: Reduced period of time the waiting area will be accessible".
This is a relevant point, especially around Glasgow. The typical 1960s box station building that appeared around electrification has the indoor waiting area next to the ticket counter in the building. This proposal means a lot of these will only be available for a couple of hours a day. If this happens then it’ll be the building’s platform side canopy and that’s it for what’s usually the city bound platform.
This is a relevant point, especially around Glasgow. The typical 1960s box station building that appeared around electrification has the indoor waiting area next to the ticket counter in the building. This proposal means a lot of these will only be available for a couple of hours a day. If this happens then it’ll be the building’s platform side canopy and that’s it for what’s usually the city bound platform.
Surely CCTV, a tannoy and some mechanism to remotely lock the door would do, with an emergency release button on the inside if someone was there after closing.
Surely CCTV, a tannoy and some mechanism to remotely lock the door would do, with an emergency release button on the inside if someone was there after closing.
You’d think so, but it hasn’t up to now despite CCTV coverage being pretty much total for years and long line PA being installed decades ago on some routes. No station staff = no waiting room & usually no toilets.
Looks like the impact will not be as severe as first planned,
SCOTRAIL's plans to shut down three ticket offices have been withdrawn after a series of protests.
Rail unions and campaign groups in Scotland united to fight cuts to ticket office opening hours.
A coalition representing workers, passengers, disabled people, environmentalists, women and pensioners protested against a plan by operator Abellio Scotrail to cut ticket office opening hours at 117 stations, and complete closure of three offices.
Scotrail, which returns to public control when Abellio’s franchise ends on March 31, said that no staff would lose their jobs as a result of any cuts.
ScotRail has confirmed that the proposed ticket offices planned for closure - Cartsdyke, Clydebank and Woodhall - will remain open for at least two years while ScotRail carries out a review to consider whether new housing and incentives for businesses by local authorities will increase ticket office sales.
They could probably close more if they didn't persist with an outdated method of electronic ticketing (m-tickets) and adopted e-tickets. M-tickets need to be abolished.
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It's certainly a change to the job. However, the railway's role isn't job provision, it's providing a train service. If a particular role is no longer necessary for that purpose, offering the staff a different one on the same money is entirely reasonable. If they would prefer an indoor office-type job, time for them to consider moving to one.
But having someone in a single central location where there are multiple possibilities to sell tickets seems to tick more boxes than wandering aimlessly on a platform or concourse.
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The solution there is simple, and is coming at some TOCs already. You have a button on the TVM connected to a call centre who put the ticket through for you. All you have to do is pay. Some will also have video so you can see each other too. This way one ticket office employee can cover lots of stations at the same time. Much more affordable.
I can just imagine how that would work with a little old lady wanting to painstakingly go through all options for a return to Scarborough ("Ooh it's SO expensive) and someone at another station desperate to avoid being fined for a journey they can't buy at the ticket machine also wanting to be served by the same staff member.
We should be working to ensure ALL tickets are available on smartphones, or loadable onto ITSO cards, and then the little old ladies can have their peace and discuss Scarborough to their heart's content.
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ScotRail has confirmed that the proposed ticket offices planned for closure - Cartsdyke, Clydebank and Woodhall - will remain open for at least two years while ScotRail carries out a review to consider whether new housing and incentives for businesses by local authorities will increase ticket office sales.
I wonder if that includes any kind of other commercial outlet that allows tickets to be bought, either at the station or close by. I don't know the geography of the stations concerned and whether or not a shop selling tickets - as has been proposed elsewhere - would actually make sense,
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