In general you've been a negative voice all through this chat. Everything you write is negative and not helpful at all. I'm glad you've been proved wrong.
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320320, seems on the surface to appear quite bitter and have an issue with trainees for whatever reason. As someone who is awaiting a start date from HR having gone through the process, his negativity and misinformation has caused no end of worry. I have spoken to those in a similar position to myself and everyone has spoken of how poor his negative rhetoric on his posts have been. None of which have ever been evidence based may i add.
I have kept my ink dry on the situation throughout, wishing only to deal in facts and what I have been told and not the generic 'what I've been told or what I'm hearing now' line throughout his posts. I have been in touch with HR throughout who have never waivered from the view that training will happen and the roles will go ahead. It was only ever about creating a safe working environment which takes time. I echo the sentiment from previous posters about your conduct in this thread.
I have kept my ink dry on the situation throughout, wishing only to deal in facts and what I have been told and not the generic 'what I've been told or what I'm hearing now' line throughout his posts. I have been in touch with HR throughout who have never waivered from the view that training will happen and the roles will go ahead. It was only ever about creating a safe working environment which takes time. I echo the sentiment from previous posters about your conduct in this thread.
kickin aff
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It's good that ASLEF have agreed in principle a return to training and how this is to be both managed and maintained.
From my understanding, there is an issue around TSSA agreeing to this. As such DTM's, as it stands, will not be getting into cabs. I hope this is something that can be resolved quickly but I think this may be weeks away if not longer.
From my understanding, there is an issue around TSSA agreeing to this. As such DTM's, as it stands, will not be getting into cabs. I hope this is something that can be resolved quickly but I think this may be weeks away if not longer.
John Bishop
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waffling indeed.
You‘ve added absolutely nothing to this thread other than to say you don’t know why training hasn’t been resumed if it’s happening elsewhere or snidely dismissing any opinion that it’s because safety cant be guaranteed.
Forgive me if I completely disregard the musings of someone that hasn’t been driving long enough to even take trainees in their cab
It’s now abundantly clear that you have added nothing to this thread other than cause worry and angst among others needlessly, so forgive me if I completely disregard your musings.
Sounds like your reps are not with it or speaking c**p doesn’t it and it looks like the “usual cranks” were right after all. Apology accepted.
Great news for the trainees who I’m sure are looking forward to getting back in the seat.
Let it go mate
theironroad
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Looool. Honestly!!
Not a ScotRail trainee but my TOC has just updated me that trainees are now slowly going to be called back at work. They have been training instructors and now everyone is just waiting for the first batch of trainees (those who have the most hours under their belt) to return. We ve been told that we need to conduct a covid test atleast 7 days (I think) before training. or maybe it was 2 days.. cant remember. but this all will take atleast 3- 6 weeks but the government guidelines can change anything.
The fact that our DTMs have kept us informed throughout this period, has taken away most of my anxiety and stress. Good Luck guys!
The fact that our DTMs have kept us informed throughout this period, has taken away most of my anxiety and stress. Good Luck guys!
I wouldn't know as I said I've got a covid test booked. It's a positive step in the right direction as far as I'm concerned. I'm not on a forum to get involved in petty arguments. I used this platform like many others for advice and guidance which has always been helpful and appreciated. The reason I posted about the covid test as i believe it would help trainees realise that things are progressing.How many Motherwell DIs have agreed and how many have refused
Hi all, I’ve read a lot of comments over the last few months on this situation and it’s evident there’s been a lot of negativity and scare mongering amongst our fellow colleagues. A lot of rumours and bothy lawyers as some may say. Thankfully they are people out there wanting to try make this work and I for one I’m glad to see trainees will soon be back on the seat. To add to Motherwell, there’s two trainiees at a north Clyde depot set for tests tomorrow and have Di’s that have volunteered. If there’s any trainees out there, stay positive and upbeat, they are people wanting you back. Thanks all.
Imagine being happy in the hope you could be proved right about peoples livelihood. Fortunately everyone else is dealing in facts and not hearsay like yourself. Having read most of your posts, you have been wrong on almost everything you have said. I'd like to think you would hold your hands up at some point and say you got stuff wrong and that your attitude has been unhelpful at best, but i won't hold my breath.
To those who are hopefully getting back into training, best of luck, and to those trainers who are helping the process, everyone is extremely grateful for assistance.
Thanks mate! Wee messages like this make a huge difference to those patiently waiting.
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theironroad
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Maybe everyone should draw a line under this now and call a truce.
Look forward with hope everyone.
Look forward with hope everyone.
Driver1122
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...Maybe everyone should draw a line under this now and call a truce.
Look forward with hope everyone.
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You’ve been telling whoppers and contradicting yourself since you joined, you’re a bigger liar than Tam Pepper.
First you were “100% not in the know” now you “get your info from the top, from the men making them” So which one is it?
You said you “know the training school is set up and ready to go” then it was “school won’t open for a while that has many issues apparently” So which one is it?
You said “trainees back September 28th” You said you know “2/3 depots were all DIs have said there ok with it and ready to go” then you said “I never said anything about appetite of return”, make your mind up
You said DTMs will be passing out trainees by using route dvds
when has that ever happened?We’re in the middle of a global pandemic, we’re not allowed to visit our families, we’re not allowed to share car journeys but we’ve to believe that every DI you know is willing to share a train cab for up to 7 hours per day where the wearing of PPE is optional and they’ve no reservations about it.
You‘re leading these people up the garden path and they’ll soon know about it when they see how many DIs have declined to resume training. Maybe they’ll stop hanging on your every word when they realise you’re only telling them what they want to hear.
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Ive only posted about what’s happening at the north Clyde depots, there are very few DIs that have agreed to take trainees and that includes Bathgate, so whoever told you they’ve all agreed are telling porkies.
At no point have I said trainees wouldn’t be back, I said it would take longer, primarily because most DIs (north Clyde) are uncomfortable with it.
You’ve given a definitive date and led people to believe that there are no issues with regards to willingness to return to two in a cab. They now all think I’m here just to wind them up
ffs, theres people that don’t even work for scotrail accusing me of upsetting them and their friends just because they don’t want to hear anything that isn’t sugar coated.
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Why don’t you just name the Depots then ? If you know of at least 2 then it can’t be a secret.
kickin aff
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They started covid testing today at Edinburgh. This will continue next week at both Glasgow and Perth by the end of the week.
It will be a slow process getting everyone back, due to lack of DI's and the trainees closer to being passed out, rightly starting first.
Its certainly a step in the right direction.
It will be a slow process getting everyone back, due to lack of DI's and the trainees closer to being passed out, rightly starting first.
Its certainly a step in the right direction.
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Regular testing will only prevent a larger outbreak though? If either the trainee or the DI test positive, it is likely too late for the other... and their household. You are effectively creating an extended household and have to consider that you are increasing your chain of contacts through the other's household members and everyone they are in contact with. You are exposed to more than the other person in the cab, and exposing your household to the same. I am not sure that regular testing would be enough give me reassurance about my own safety, or that of my household.
John Bishop
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I take your point ES21, however, perhaps we need to look at the bigger picture in all of this in terms of the likelihood of contracting the virus. Yes, the stats are on the rise, but a bit of perspective is needed to actually appreciate the ACTUAL risk to individuals. For example, population of Greater Glasgow is 1.2 million and today, 255 people tested positive in that area, most of them students. The population of Scotland is 5.5 million and out of that, 26,500 people have tested positive so far since the pandemic started. Out of those 26,500 cases, 23,990 have made a full recovery.
So even in the slim chance of DI or trainee contracted Covid, statistically they are likely to make a full recovery.
The procedure is not 100% bulletproof, however, with the enhanced weekly testing, daily temperature checks PPE, enhanced sanitation etc, all in place, this reduces the small risk even further, not zero, but extremely small, to the stage that driving to work is statistically more of a risk to the individuals.
I wonder how many Drivers in Scotrail have caught the virus so far?