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Iskra

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In the course of my work, I pass close by a marshalling yard where some traditional shunting still takes place frequently. I've noticed that some wagons (mainly the 2 axle non bogied ones), get de-railed quite frequently.

What aspect of shunting causes this, or is it down to the track quality?
 
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In the course of my work, I pass close by a marshalling yard where some traditional shunting still takes place frequently. I've noticed that some wagons (mainly the 2 axle non bogied ones), get de-railed quite frequently.

What aspect of shunting causes this, or is it down to the track quality?

No idea if fly-shunting still takes place today but used to be commonplace in many yards. Some had a hump where wagons used to be let loose and roll naturally to a stop.

Surprised this still happens in this day and age with the 'ol heath & safety brigade...
 

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In the course of my work, I pass close by a marshalling yard where some traditional shunting still takes place frequently. I've noticed that some wagons (mainly the 2 axle non bogied ones), get de-railed quite frequently.

What aspect of shunting causes this, or is it down to the track quality?
I’d think poor track quality and poor condition of some of the hand operated points, and maybe the odd wagon jumping if they’re shunting a long rake of loose coupled wagons, but need to stop very suddenly
 

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No idea if fly-shunting still takes place today but used to be commonplace in many yards. Some had a hump where wagons used to be let loose and roll naturally to a stop.

Surprised this still happens in this day and age with the 'ol heath & safety brigade...
Please don't confuse loose shunting with fly shunting.

Loose shunting as the name implies, means propelling a loose wagon in front of the loco. The loco stops and the wagon carries on to its destination.

On the other hand, in fly shunting the loco is coupled to the wagon which it draws along. At the appropriate moment the loco decelerates slightly so the coupling can be released. The loco then accelerates away in front over the points which are then switched before the wagon arrives so the wagon takes the other siding.

I have not see fly shunting practiced in the UK for many years but it is still done in the (relatively) H & S free USA.
 

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Please don't confuse loose shunting with fly shunting.

Loose shunting as the name implies, means propelling a loose wagon in front of the loco. The loco stops and the wagon carries on to its destination.

On the other hand, in fly shunting the loco is coupled to the wagon which it draws along. At the appropriate moment the loco decelerates slightly so the coupling can be released. The loco then accelerates away in front over the points which are then switched before the wagon arrives so the wagon takes the other siding.

I have not see fly shunting practiced in the UK for many years but it is still done in the (relatively) H & S free USA.

Of you are caught propelling wagons which are not screwed to the loco you’ll be shot by your ops managers.

Loose shunting would be that the wagons aren’t pipped and the shackle is tighten.

Hump shunting was phased out back in the 80s, fly shunting was banned under H&S again round the same time.

The quality of track and points in my yards is often very poor, hence that derailments are more common.
 

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Iv'e been derailed in a depot three times in 10 years ,twice with EPB units and once in a 465 Networker and each occasion was caused by faulty hand points or wonky track !
 

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Or - wagons that have been left without handbrake applied and auto air brake has been relied on and the brake cylinders have bled off causing a run away thus derailing?
 

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In the course of my work, I pass close by a marshalling yard where some traditional shunting still takes place frequently. I've noticed that some wagons (mainly the 2 axle non bogied ones), get de-railed quite frequently.

What aspect of shunting causes this, or is it down to the track quality?
Is this in the UK? Some other country/countries?
 

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In the course of my work, I pass close by a marshalling yard where some traditional shunting still takes place frequently. I've noticed that some wagons (mainly the 2 axle non bogied ones), get de-railed quite frequently.

What aspect of shunting causes this, or is it down to the track quality?

"Traditional Shunting" as a definition, is probably more related to an individuals experiences, memories, than a set method that has remained the same. From my point of view, "traditional shunting" is a thing of the past and revolved around the principle outlined by "furnessvale".

What occurs today is basically the breaking up, and reforming of blocks of wagons. Wagon load revenue traffic is history. The nearest thing you will find is the working of Infrastructure traffic in Network yards.

The greater regard to safety today, and the much reduced volumes (along with other factors) has evolved into the current practices on the national network. Very simply, wagons remain attached to the locomotive with the auto brake in use.

Derailments have a number of causes, and it is quite often a combination of factors that come into play. Track, human, wagon defect, wagon type, loading etc.

As a wagon type, 2 x axle vehicles are more prone to derailment due to poor track/loading than bogie wagons. The shorter the distance between axle centres, the more susceptible to derailment.
The worst wagon I used to deal with was the ZBA Rudd. Short wheel base with a stiff wagon frame, which if badly loaded off a worksite would soon find any bad track twists in a yard. Now long gone from the network. The longer wheel base 2 axle wagons, such as OBA, OCA are much better at coping with poor track.

Unless things have changed over the last few years, MHA Coalfish and similar, were the most likely victims. Quite often, poor loading was a major contribution to the derailment in combination with other factors.
 

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RAIB has investigated several freight derailments on running lines caused by some or all of uneven wagon loading, twisted frame or other causes leading to less loading on some wheels, and track twist that is marginal or out of spec. This can result in one wheel literally lifting off the rail, at which point it's very easy for it to move sideways and drop outside.
 
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