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Smaller stations getting forgotten in times of disruption: should larger/better served stations be skipped instead?

amahy

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I have recently been disgusted by the treating of smaller stations in times of disruption.

On the Calder Valley line, operated by Northern, one such station, Walsden, normally has one train per hour, served by the stopping service from Wigan to Leeds via Brighouse (although regularly on diversion via Bradford at the moment due to the TPRU), plus peak time additional calls of the Blackburn to Headbolt Lane service.

On one such day recently, the station was left without a service from Manchester for over 4 hours, due to signalling system issues around Bradford.

Even after these issues had been fixed, there was still a gap of over 2 hours before the first service stopped at the station, even when there were other services running along the line, just not scheduled to stop. Is it really that hard to put in a special stop order, so that people can get home, without having to walk over a mile from a neighbouring station?

There have been other days when "not to stop" orders have been submitted for Walsden and other smaller stations, in order to make up time, but still stopping at larger stations such as Hebden Bridge, which have a 3 trains per hour service.

Surely skipping the larger, more well served stations would be more logical?

A reduction of 3 to 2 trains per hour should overall be less impactful than a reduction from 1 to 0 trains per hour.
 
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robbeech

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Small Stations is also relative. On the ECML my closest main line station Retford is nothing more than a blight on LNER’s operation. With just 1 token service per 2 hours, if they cancel that train it’s a real chore to try and get them to put a stop order in for one of the other 7 trains going past between those times. More often than not they’ll just put you 2 hours down and pay you delay repay.
Added to this, Retford (and I quote their station staff) “Don’t do Taxis here mate you’ll have to sort yourself out”.
When a last connection is missed.
 

amahy

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Small Stations is also relative. On the ECML my closest main line station Retford is nothing more than a blight on LNER’s operation. With just 1 token service per 2 hours, if they cancel that train it’s a real chore to try and get them to put a stop order in for one of the other 7 trains going past between those times. More often than not they’ll just put you 2 hours down and pay you delay repay.
Added to this, Retford (and I quote their station staff) “Don’t do Taxis here mate you’ll have to sort yourself out”.
When a last connection is missed.
I feel you. A lot of the ECML intermediates are very poorly served, especially those between Doncaster and Peterborough, and also between Newcastle and Edinburgh (such as Reston, a brand new station with an appalling service level).
 

amahy

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Is that code for, we could, but just can't be bothered?! :s
There’s a lot of that in the railways nowadays, during the Castleton bridge replacement once had a 45 minute wait at Rochdale because the station staff didn’t bother holding the train for the bus to arrive from Manchester, when on another day they did, under completely identical circumstances.
 

CoachB

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I see this all the time at my local station, Lockerbie. If they decide to cancel trains running to and from Carlisle they just stop all trains running from Glasgow/Edinburgh to Carlisle on the WCML.
They could still run trains from Lockerbie to Glasgow and Edinburgh as Lockerbie Station has crossovers to turn trains around onto the correct line but seems to be too much hassle to implement.
Means instead of busses between Carlisle and Lockerbie and then back on the train you end up with busses all the way to Glasgow/Edinburgh
 

dangie

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Rugeley Town & Rugeley Trent Valley really are the End of the Line in more ways than one. Any late running train on the Chase Line from Birmingham is usually terminated at Hednesford and returns back to Birmingham.

Of course knowledgeable railway enthusiasts will know why this happens, but it’s really no wonder why Rugeley rail users are constantly criticising the trains, and you really can’t blame them.
 

Falcon1200

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They could still run trains from Lockerbie to Glasgow and Edinburgh as Lockerbie Station has crossovers to turn trains around onto the correct line but seems to be too much hassle to implement.

Unfortunately, and absurdly, there is no bi-directional signalling on that part (or indeed almost all) of the WCML North, nor are the crossovers at Lockerbie controlled by the Signaller, therefore a member of Network Rail staff is required on the ground if trains are to be turned there, who may not always be easy to supply.
 

MotCO

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I can understand the operational reasons for trying to run trains fast, but at the end of the day, trains are meant to provide a service for passengers and not treat them as an inconvenience. Surely, as a minimum, in times of disruption when trains are able to use the line, the number of trains per hour stopping at the station should be 50% of the normal service with a minimum threshold of one train per hour, even if this means services which do not usually stop there, do call there.
 

Kite159

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Rugeley Town & Rugeley Trent Valley really are the End of the Line in more ways than one. Any late running train on the Chase Line from Birmingham is usually terminated at Hednesford and returns back to Birmingham.

Of course knowledgeable railway enthusiasts will know why this happens, but it’s really no wonder why Rugeley rail users are constantly criticising the trains, and you really can’t blame them.
Add on a rather poor timetable at Rugeley Trent Valley, is it still the case that the Crewe - London train departs 1 minute before a Birmingham - Rugeley train arrives, so any customers from the Chase line have a 29-minute wait at a rather bleak station.
 

Bevan Price

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It is not just small towns that suffer. Both yesterday & today, there were 3 hour gaps in the hourly service at St. Helens Junction.
On days when the Liverpool Lime St / Warrington Central short workings have been cancelled, they do not seem to provide additional stops in other Northern services to compensate for lost stops at stations served only by the cancelled trains
And buses are no better. Arriva often cancels journeys on our local hourly service, when it would be less catastrophic to remove one bus from services with 4-5 buses per hour
 

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