Some people really are wired up wrong

[mumrar]

Normally the weirdos in general who turned up to Raoul Moat's funeral, having never known him, would have wound me up enough. But no, a woman called Theresa Bystram has done it for me......metro.co.uk/news/836913-strangers-honour-raoul-moat-the-gun-hero-at-funeral

Meanwhile, friends, neighbours and people Moat (pictured) had
never met paid homage.
One stranger was Theresa Bystram, 45, who travelled 480km
(300 miles) from Weybridge, Surrey, on an overnight coach with
three of her teenage sons to be at the crematorium.
She said: ‘I absolutely loved him. I just think he is a hero and I
wanted to pay my respects.
‘He kept them coppers on the run all that time. Fair enough people
died but they must have deserved it.’

She took her 3 kids, what a shining example of logic and rationale she must be. This falls under the same heading as women who write to prisoners they don't know and women who get mixed up with dangerous prisoners such as prison staff. What the bloody hell is wrong with them?

 

[Geezertronic]

People like her need removing from the gene pool immediately, maybe Raoul can come back from the dead and do it for us

 

[Metroland]

There are a percentage of people that like challenging authority in this country. They are very impressed by making the authorities look foolish, and that's certainly what this chap did. He managed to have several police forces out after him, the SAS, various survival experts, to name but a few. Whilst on one level this is impressive, to actually pay homage to the man is very disrespectful to the people that died and were injured in my opinion.

 

[Ferret]

There are a percentage of people that like challenging authority in this country. They are very impressed by making the authorities look foolish, and that's certainly what this chap did. He managed to have several police forces out after him, the SAS, various survival experts, to name but a few. Whilst on one level this is impressive, to actually pay homage to the man is very disrespectful to the people that died and were injured in my opinion.

And in the opinion of every right-thinking person in the country. Alas, their numbers are dwindling rapidly.

 

[142094]

Apparently she is a mother of eight. That says it all for me.

 

[starrymarkb]

I had a feeling there would be idiots like this, a couple of my friends had sympathy but for different reasons (more from a view point of the guy being obviously mentally ill rather then hero worship because he shot and evaded the police), but they certainly had more sympathy for the victims

 

[Turbostar]

What a totally sick, disturbed, disrespectful ***! That just beggers belief what she did, & to top it all, the totally unecessary comment at the end:

‘He kept them coppers on the run all that time. Fair enough people
died but they must have deserved it.’

They must have deserved it!?!?!? Sorry, but people like that make my blood boil coming out with hurtful comments like that, that is so so low. Def wired up wrong without a doubt.

 

[Greenback]

Yet another example of why this country is down the toilet

 

[imagination]

And she was silly enough to give her name age and address to the press...

I wouldn't be all that surprised if someone decided that she "deserved it" too...

 

[the sniper]

Yet another example of why this country is down the toilet

Because some lunatics turned up at a lunatics funeral, it's an example of why this country, as a whole (60+ million of us!), is 'down the toilet'? You get nutters like these in every country!

 

[Old Timer]

Unfortunately this is what happens when our systems become too liberal, and standards are seen as being something "right wing".

We know have the results of the massive socialist experiement that sadly Mrs Thatcher allowed to continue, and we have reached the point of second generations who will absolutely refuse to adhere to any values or standards at all. They have also been brought up with a total disregard for any form of control or authority and feel that they can do what they want and when they want.

Sadly they are actually correct.

Add to this a Judicial system that has for the the past 20/30 years tried to avoid sending scrotes and scum to prison, whilst penalising the normal average working man, and more so the middle class, and well....welcome to the UK of 2010.

Tough action is what is needed with scrotes and scum given absolutely no quarter whatsoever. Violent and anti-social behaviour should result in them being removed into a military-style environment and kept in solitary detention in between miltary style discipline so that they are not able to ferment unrest amongst themselves.

Unfortunately Politicians have lost the desire to tackle crime and we still have a significant underbelly of wishy-washy liberals, do gooders, and fellow political travellers who continue to push their version of punishment even though manifestly by any examination we have a major problem of youth crime and general adult disrespect and intolerance to others.

 

[CarterUSM]

Because some lunatics turned up at a lunatics funeral, it's an example of why this country, as a whole (60+ million of us!), is 'down the toilet'? You get nutters like these in every country!

Yes, i just see her actions for what they are, a less than impressive attempt at getting a slice of the notoriety pie.

 

[Greenback]

Because some lunatics turned up at a lunatics funeral, it's an example of why this country, as a whole (60+ million of us!), is 'down the toilet'? You get nutters like these in every country!

And the thousands of lunatics who eulogised about Moat on the web?

Old Timer is correct, although I would not bring party politics into it myself. All notions of values and standards have disappeared, public service and duty is now sneered at, personal responsibility ignored, lies and untruths abound, and that's all just parliament!

It all stems from the liberalism of the drug fuelled counter culture of the 1960's which proclaimed inidividual freedom at the expense of collective responsibilty. The effect of their well intentioned ideas can be seen on any Friday and Saturday night in any town or city in the country.

 

[the sniper]

And the thousands of lunatics who eulogised about Moat on the web?

What about the 25.96 million UK facebook users that didn't join his tribute page? :roll:

And FYI, if you had seen the page, you'd know that a good number (I'd say at least 15%+) of those who joined the group only did so so that they could write on the 'wall' and insult people who were paying tribute to Rauol Moat. Something I presume the tabloids conveniently failed to notice for the sake of a good moral outrage story...

 

[Greenback]

The question is really how many Facebook users are there, and what percentage of them thought Moat was a 'top bloke'. Then you'd have to ask what percentage would be an 'acceptable' percentage of lunatics, before you are allowed to say that the country has gone down the toilet.

For me, the fact that more than 200 decided to write tributes to Moat is enough.

 

[the sniper]

The question is really how many Facebook users are there, and what percentage of them thought Moat was a 'top bloke'.

I did provide the figure in my last post, though maybe I didn't make it clear.

There are around 26 million UK users of Facebook. I think the Rauol Moat group peaked at 40,000, of which, as I said, a good number of which only joined the group to slag off Moat and his supporters.

So, if my maths are correct, only 0.16% of the 26 million UK facebook users were part of that group, 99.84% weren't. And as I've said, not even all of those in the 0.16% thought Moat was a 'top bloke'.

Then you'd have to ask what percentage would be an 'acceptable' percentage of lunatics, before you are allowed to say that the country has gone down the toilet.

0.16%. Now you can decide.

EDIT: As a random but slightly interesting aside, around 0.15% of the population of this country are currently serving a prison sentence; a percentage which is interestingly close to the Facebook/Moat percentage.

 

[jon0844]

Read the story on The Sun and it says she wore the same Chelsea shirt (as pictured) at the funeral! So, she was clearly showing respect to Moat then. She can't show any respect to ANYONE.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3080769/Raoul-Moat-fans-sick-funeral-boast.html

 

[Greenback]

I did provide the figure in my last post, though maybe I didn't make it clear.

There are around 26 million UK users of Facebook. I think the Rauol Moat group peaked at 40,000, of which, as I said, a good number of which only joined the group to slag off Moat and his supporters.

So, if my maths are correct, only 0.16% of the 26 million UK facebook users were part of that group, 99.84% weren't. And as I've said, not even all of those in the 0.16% thought Moat was a 'top bloke'.



0.16%. Now you can decide.

EDIT: As a random but slightly interesting aside, around 0.15% of the population of this country are currently serving a prison sentence; a percentage which is interestingly close to the Facebook/Moat percentage.

Sorry, I meant to put active Facebook users! Still, I see that the percentage is very low, and I doubt it would be a great dela higher even going by active users. So I'll gracefully admit defeat on the Facebook/Moat issue!

 

[Geezertronic]

If you actually look closely at the Raoul Moat Facebook group, you'll probably realise that some of the posters are actually using fake Facebook accounts whose purpose is to post positive or negative comments (without revealing their true identity). One such account is "Raoul Scroat"

 

[the sniper]

So I'll gracefully admit defeat on the Facebook/Moat issue!

I wouldn't call it defeat, though I'm glad you can see that this was story wasn't quite as bad when looking at the bigger picture.

If you actually look closely at the Raoul Moat Facebook group, you'll probably realise that some of the posters are actually using fake Facebook accounts whose purpose is to post positive or negative comments (without revealing their true identity). One such account is "Raoul Scroat"

This is also very true. Most of the fake accounts didn't use such conspicuous names though, but were identifiable by the profile photo's, some of which were blatantly just pictures of random attractive men or women taken off the internet. When you looked on the accounts, their only activity was on the Moat page, as Geezertronic says.

This was another aspect which the press under reported/didn't report.

 

[Greenback]

A lot of them were probably afraid of being identified - whether they were pro or anti Moat! I think people are a lot more aware of the dangers of Facebook now, after the stories of people being sacked for telling their friends they have pulled a sickie, or criticisng their employers!

 

[CarterUSM]

A lot of them were probably afraid of being identified - whether they were pro or anti Moat! I think people are a lot more aware of the dangers of Facebook now, after the stories of people being sacked for telling their friends they have pulled a sickie, or criticisng their employers!

I'm not so sure of that. There is a member of staff up here who advocated bombing the belfast-stranraer ferry after taking umbrage at the amount of orangemen travelling on the train service from Stranraer. The Sun ran it as a front page story up here a couple of weeks ago, 20 years service too, looks as if it will be down the drain.

 

[jimrbrobinson]

That would be the story here: http://www.thesun.co.uk/scotsol/hom...ying-Loyalists-to-Belfast-to-be-blown-up.html.

I remember seeing this and thinking 'what an idiot'. To jeopardise a well-paid, responsible and highly sought-after occupation by publicly making such inflammatory comments does show a lack of forethought about the consequences of one's own actions. Especially the comments were made with clear indication as to his occupation and employer.

 

[CarterUSM]

That would be the story here: http://www.thesun.co.uk/scotsol/hom...ying-Loyalists-to-Belfast-to-be-blown-up.html.

I remember seeing this and thinking 'what an idiot'. To jeopardise a well-paid, responsible and highly sought-after occupation by publicly making such inflammatory comments does show a lack of forethought about the consequences of one's own actions. Especially the comments were made with clear indication as to his occupation and employer.

Aye, and think of the hostility to rail staff from some less than 'informed' individuals. I cannot believe things like this are still happening! Pure stupidity!

 

[4SRKT]

And the thousands of lunatics who eulogised about Moat on the web?

Old Timer is correct, although I would not bring party politics into it myself. All notions of values and standards have disappeared, public service and duty is now sneered at, personal responsibility ignored, lies and untruths abound, and that's all just parliament!

It all stems from the liberalism of the drug fuelled counter culture of the 1960's which proclaimed inidividual freedom at the expense of collective responsibilty. The effect of their well intentioned ideas can be seen on any Friday and Saturday night in any town or city in the country.

OT may well be correct about the decline of standards, but AFAIAA these have slipped very rapidly during the right wing years since the end of what he calls the 'socialist experiment' (often also less loadedly called the 'post-war concensus') that he appears to blame for all this nonsense. It's a bit much to blame something that hasn't really existed for nearly 30 years for problems that have become very much worse in less time than that.

I can't help agreeing with the poster who pointed out that you get nutters in every country. In my opinion, one of the reasons this country is 'going down the toilet' (if indeed it is) is because so many people are prepared to believe that bell ends like Raoul Moat's fans could only exist here, and that means we must be somehow uniquely 'liberal' in a bad way.

 

[Greenback]

OT may well be correct about the decline of standards, but AFAIAA these have slipped very rapidly during the right wing years since the end of what he calls the 'socialist experiment' (often also less loadedly called the 'post-war concensus') that he appears to blame for all this nonsense. It's a bit much to blame something that hasn't really existed for nearly 30 years for problems that have become very much worse in less time than that.

I can't help agreeing with the poster who pointed out that you get nutters in every country. In my opinion, one of the reasons this country is 'going down the toilet' (if indeed it is) is because so many people are prepared to believe that bell ends like Raoul Moat's fans could only exist here, and that means we must be somehow uniquely 'liberal' in a bad way.

I don't blame any particular political party. The balance has just swung too far in favour of rights, and this needs to be rebalanced towards responsibility.

I think there are many reasons why the country is going down the toilet. The rise, and hopefully fall, of the BNP, the ever increasing gap between rich and poor, the lack of thought for other people along with a big increase in selfishness, the centralisation of services, and the decline of community to name but a few. Many of these things have common causes, the run down of manufacturing and the increase in long distance commuting, for example, have eroded community identity. These are the issues that, to me, need addressing urgently, and I get saddened by the endless party political bickering that we see in the media. No one seems to get to grips with the social problems that this country has - sometimes I feel it's like Nero watching Rome burn!

 

[Oswyntail]

... No one seems to get to grips with the social problems that this country has - sometimes I feel it's like Nero watching Rome burn!

Funny you should say that! The pattern you so accurately describe has been seen many times over the centuries, but the example I am always amazed by is the decline of the Roman Republic after about 133BC. Economic super-expansion, coupled with efficiencies in production methods and a rapid influx of cheap labour led to rapid growth in a under-employed urban proletariat which itself became almost wilfully malcontent. Took about 100 years (and several Civil Wars) to sort out. Augustus eventually put in place a combination of major public works and political reforms which did the trick. Many more parallels if you look closer!

 

[Greenback]

Funny you should say that! The pattern you so accurately describe has been seen many times over the centuries, but the example I am always amazed by is the decline of the Roman Republic after about 133BC. Economic super-expansion, coupled with efficiencies in production methods and a rapid influx of cheap labour led to rapid growth in a under-employed urban proletariat which itself became almost wilfully malcontent. Took about 100 years (and several Civil Wars) to sort out. Augustus eventually put in place a combination of major public works and political reforms which did the trick. Many more parallels if you look closer!

I have seen parallels with both Rome and other great civilisations - I couldn't agree more!

 

[the sniper]

In my opinion, one of the reasons this country is 'going down the toilet' (if indeed it is) is because so many people are prepared to believe that bell ends like Raoul Moat's fans could only exist here, and that means we must be somehow uniquely 'liberal' in a bad way.

I totally share your thoughts on this, and it really is a shame that this is the case.

 

[Old Timer]

OT may well be correct about the decline of standards, but AFAIAA these have slipped very rapidly during the right wing years since the end of what he calls the 'socialist experiment' (often also less loadedly called the 'post-war concensus') that he appears to blame for all this nonsense. It's a bit much to blame something that hasn't really existed for nearly 30 years for problems that have become very much worse in less time than that..

The liberalism to which I refer started in the 1960s and has continued apace ever since.

The sad fact is that Mrs Thatcher did nothing to deal with those who were preaching the so called "modern"educational standards, which ironically many of the proponents now ultimately accept were wrong. Universities in some cities now have to run initalcourses to teach people to read, write and do simple arithmetic, and even a recently as earlier this week I read an article which said that modern teachers felt ill-equipped to teach the same subjects because they could not read, write or do maths themselves.

The liberals/socialists who foisted this upon us did so by attacking anyone who objected or raised concerns about how standards were slipping. Failed educational theories were forced through on the basis of a failed ideaology and now we are reaping the rewards.

The same can be said of "standards" and respect for "authority" which again was derided by the same style of people.

We now have a large social underclass who are ill-educated, and are unable to reason logically. Having been told throughout their lives that they can do as they wish without sanction, they do.

Authority is seen as negative and slowly but surely social cohesion and order breaks down.

The sad thing is that what allows people to escape from that treadmill is a good education......something that was denied them by liberal thinking modernists who chose to refuse to accept that we are all different. You cannot improve by bringing everyone down to the lowest common denominator. Most have learnt this lesson but sadly some still cling to this failed idealogy.

It is worthy of note however that their children, without exception, were all sent to "good" public, fee paying schools. Polly Toynbee (of the Grauniard) who is so anti-"elitist education" did exactly that with her own children when push came to shove despite publicly deriding and criticising others who did so.

That we now have an Opposition Party the Shadow Cabinet of which represents practically every good public fee paying school in the UK, says much about their parents belief in what they were preaching, and forcing upon others.