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Southwestern Railway - unable to complete reservation to book Advance ticket

binary0110

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I have been trying to book advance tickets on SWR from Waterloo to Brockenhurst for several days. I get to the point where you are asked to request a seat reservation (but, of course, there are no seat reservations on SWR) and then after completing this step when I try to add to basket I get the following error on the SWR website:

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I have tried other vendors (including this one - RailUK Tickets) and have the same problem. I have contacted SWR Help on X/Twitter but they have not replied with an answer. Any ideas why this might be happening?
 
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Haywain

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I have been trying to book advance tickets on SWR from Waterloo to Brockenhurst for several days.
You probably need to give more details of what you are trying to get, and what you are asking for. From the line quoted above it isn't clear whether you have been encountering this problem over a period of several days or you have tried to book tickets for multiple days and encountered this problem today.
 

OscarH

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More detail would be useful, especially a link to the search from the forum site.

That said, it sounds like a classic case of the national reservation system pretending there's availability that doesn't actually exists and fails on booking. It's.. more common than you'd think that situation should be given that's its main job.

Happening on a counted place TOC I haven't seen before though, so intriguing
 

binary0110

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Really? I get the following error:

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I believe the issue is with the return journey:

Friday 14th March BCU (11:44) - WAT (13:21)
2x Advance First Single with Two Together Railcard

Anyone have any ideas?
 

Adam Williams

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@OscarH has hit the nail on the head, this is yet another example of the reservations system "lying" about availability being there, which then cannot be booked:

First, we ask for availability:

XML:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<AQ>
  <H m="P" i="[redacted]" t="6100">
    <X/>
  </H>
  <J r="S" o="5886" d="1072"> <!-- fare NLCs -->
    <L s="SEA" o="BCU" d="WAT"> <!-- asking for a SEA(t), between FromCrs BCU and ToCrs WAT -->
      <Z>
          <S i="SW185601"/> <!-- RSID -->
      </Z>
      <D s="14032025" e="14032025"/>
      <P n="9" s="042"> <!-- ask for up to 9 availability -->
        <C c="F4A" r="01431"/> <!-- fare details -->
        <U c="SEAT"/>
      </P>
    </L>
  </J>
</AQ>

And we get this response:

Code:
< X-S3-Correlation-Id: 019e5837-6953-4738-8a30-6afad8d5f437
< X-RDG-RARS-Broker-Version: v0.407.0
< X-NRS-Channel: 5
< X-Environment: rdg-uk-mi-prod

Which says, yup - there's 2 availability left for ticket type F4A on route 01431! That should mean that it should be possible to book and so all retailers will offer this fare (£41.20 total).

XML:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="yes"?>
<AR>
    <H m="P" i="[redacted]">
        <X></X>
    </H>
    <J r="S" o="5886" d="1072">
        <L s="SEA" o="BCU" d="WAT">
            <O d="14032025">
                <S i="SW1856" m="1144">
                    <P s="042" o="9">
                        <U c="SEAT">
                            <C c="F4A" r="01431" a="2"></C>
                        </U>
                    </P>
                </S>
            </O>
        </L>
    </J>
</AR>

When we try to book it for 2 pax:

XML:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<BQ>
  <H i="[redacted]" m="P" v="011805" t="1600">
    <X></X>
  </H>
  <B p="anonymous" c="000000000" t="not available">
    <J o="5886" d="1072" r="S">
      <L o="BCU" d="WAT" s="SW185601" t="14032025">
        <P n="2" s="042">
          <C c="F4A" r="01431"/>
          <U a="SEAT"/>
        </P>
      </L>
    </J>
  </B>
</BQ>

It fails, contradicting the previous availability response:

Code:
< X-S3-Correlation-Id: d9f8a8a8-f90a-459f-8b2d-4431aed2dcd7
< X-RDG-RARS-Broker-Version: v0.407.0
< X-NRS-Channel: 5
< X-Environment: rdg-uk-mi-prod

XML:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="yes"?>
<BR>
    <H m="P" i="[redacted]" v="011805">
        <X></X>
    </H>
    <E c="E00328" i="BCU" j="WAT" e="No availability for requested product on Leg from BCU to WAT"></E>
</BR>

No matter how many times you ask, you'll be told there's 2 tickets left that are available to book. And no matter how many times you try to book this availability, you will find it will fail.



We (and other TIS suppliers) have opened about 10 support tickets concerning this behaviour and Sqills who supply the S3 Passenger system have yet to do anything meaningful to sort it out, and continue to claim that everything is working exactly as designed. The last email thread has been completely ignored; I can't be bothered anymore. This is the only job RARS has - to accurately report availability that can be booked and allow reservations to be made - and it fails at the first hurdle.

@binary0110 you should complain to the train operator/fare setter. No retailers can do anything about this, I'm afraid.
 

OscarH

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Very complete explanation from Adam who got to it before I got round to it!

This is the only job RARS has - to accurately report availability that can be booked and allow reservations to be made - and it fails at the first hurdle.
Well technically it has two jobs, that and not booking the same seat twice, but yes, it really is failing at it's primary function. And the industry pays money for this
 

binary0110

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@binary0110 you should complain to the train operator/fare setter. No retailers can do anything about this, I'm afraid.

I have already tried but no response. We are in the third millenium. How can we as a nation have regressed to this degree? Isambard would be turning in his grave...

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infobleep

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Very complete explanation from Adam who got to it before I got round to it!


Well technically it has two jobs, that and not booking the same seat twice, but yes, it really is failing at it's primary function. And the industry pays money for this
Are they cheap, or did they managed to draw up a contract that isn't easy to get out of?
 

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