Speed through Peterborough

[GNERman]

What is the speed that a train can pass through the centre of Peterborough Station without stopping-Is this through a centre road?

 

[Metroland]

115mph.

But 105mph across Nene Bridge and through Fletton Curves and then across Holme Fen.

125mph north of New England and up Stoke Bank till Stoke Tunnel, and South of Holme over Leys till Offord.

 

[heart-of-wessex]

is the 140 board taken off the mainline on the New England to stoke section or do some brivers bend the rules and speed up there?

 

[GNERman]

Do you know what it is through Doncaster and is there any other slow speeds through others south of Doncaster?

 

[Metroland]

Stoke bank is I think posted back down to 125mph, but I might be wrong on that. Only test trains have ever run at more, on flashing greens, which are still present, very occasionally many years ago. It was 140mph, with 135mph on Tallington curves.

All modern trains have data recorders, and any speeding (+3mph or so) would result in disciplinary action.

For a more detailed explanation some people here might have access to this:

http://www.joyce.whitchurch.btinternet.co.uk/nesa.pdf

Historically you also might be interested in this

http://www.thesectionalappendix.co.uk/

But the ruling line speeds on the fast lines of the ECML are, from memory

Kings cross to Finsbury Park

15/25/60/90/105mph

North of Hornsey it is 115mph till Langley Junction Stevenage, apart from Welywn viaduct and tunnels - 105mph

Stevenage - Offord 125mph

Offord curves 115mph

Offord to Holme 125mph

Holme fen 105mph, to Peterborough station

115, then 125mph to Stoke tunnel

115, then 105 mph Grantham

125 mph to Newark

100 mph Newark crossing

125 mph most of the rest of the way to Doncaster south, apart from Tuxford and Gamston curves and around Retford (115mph)

105 Doncaster south

125mph to York South

around 40/50 through York

Then 125mph till Tees viaduct

115mph Tees viaduct, then 125mph

115 around Darlington

Then its a mix, mostly around 105-115mph, but with lower speeds south of Durham, down to around 85ish

125 mph to Low fell

then down to 50 or lower around Newcastle.

North of Newcastle various, northward of 100mph, apart from Morpeth (50mph) and Grantshouse, which i think is around 80/90. Theres the odd stretch of 125mph.

Signalling:

Kings X - Sandy: Kings X PSB

Sandy - Stoke tunnel: Peterborough PSB

Stoke Tunnel - Shaftholme: Doncaster PSB

Shaftholme - Danby Whiske: York IECC, which also controls the Leeds area these days

Danby Whiske-South of Morpeth: Tyneside IECC

Morpeth area: Morpeth PSB

Alnwick area: Alnwick PSB

Tweedmouth PSB, around 20 miles south of Berwick to Scots border.

Scots border - South of Dundee/Falkirk including Edinburgh, is Edinburgh IECC

That's all from memory, so I'm prepared to be corrected on one or two things.

 

[Darandio]

Might as well add something here. Didn't Durham viaduct used to be 85mph at one point? Isn't it 75 now?

 

[The Planner]

Nothing is shown greater than 125mph in the sectional appendix now. Nothing is timed at greater than that either.

 

[ungreat]

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All modern trains have data recorders, and any speeding (+3mph or so) would result in disciplinary action.

**Depends on circumstances and length of time speeding***



Kings cross to Finsbury Park

15/25/60/90/105mph

North of Hornsey it is 115mph till Langley Junction Stevenage, apart from Welywn viaduct and tunnels - 105mph

KX to FP is 15 leaving station,then 45 mph once halfway through Gasworks tunnel,then 60mph Copenhagen tunnel to Holloway,then 80mph to FP,then 90mph just past FP..then rises to 95mph Hornsey to north end of Wood Green Tunnel

 

[rail-britain]

Stoke bank is I think posted back down to 125mph, but I might be wrong on that. Only test trains have ever run at more, on flashing greens, which are still present, very occasionally many years ago. It was 140mph, with 135mph on Tallington curves

I was under the impression that the equipment for flashing green signals on that test section had been removed in about 1995, after an incident where a signaller accidentally set flashing greens for a train and it resulted in the train making an emergency stop as the driver thought it was a faulty signal!

 

[yorkie]

I was under the impression that the equipment for flashing green signals on that test section had been removed in about 1995, after an incident where a signaller accidentally set flashing greens for a train and it resulted in the train making an emergency stop as the driver thought it was a faulty signal!

Signallers don't "set" flashing greens! They flash if the signal ahead is green (or flashing green).

Last time I looked at the signals to see if they were flashing, they were. Which was probably a few years ago now.

If the driver didn't understand flashing greens, he/she can't have been paying attention when he/she learnt the route!

 

[rail-britain]

Signallers don't "set" flashing greens! They flash if the signal ahead is green (or flashing green)

During the testing period the signallers were able to set the higher line speed signals
Otherwise at all other times the standard signal patterns applied
This was so that only the Class 91 and its test train saw the flashing green signals
All drivers on the route between 1987 and 1992, when the equipment was installed, were reminded that flashing green signals may be applied and to observe them as standard green unless on the Class 91 test train where permission would apply

 

[upyourjunction]

The greens still flash

 

[ungreat]

The flashing greens are now used as a "fifth aspect",and nothing more.It simply means that you have either green or flashing green as your next aspect

 

[Ascot]

For Peterborough, 105 south side, 125 north side.

Doncaster, 100.

York, 30. That's the fastest to get through the stations.