SWT to Waterloo, is it valid to Charing Cross

[pethadine82]

If I was to buy a return on the SWT to London Terminals, could I use this to go from Waterloo East (either walk or Jubilee line to Southwark and then switch to Waterloo East) from Waterloo East onto Charing Cross, which is near Leicester square.

Many thanks

 

[MikeWh]

Walk between Waterloo Main and Waterloo East - yes.
Jubilee line - shouldn't be valid, and you'd be mad to go that way. It might work on a technicality because of the works at London Bridge but really, you'll walk 5-6 times further than the footbridge between the two stations to say nothing of the time on the train and/or waiting for it.

 

[swt class 450]

If I was to buy a return on the SWT to London Terminals, could I use this to go from Waterloo East (either walk or Jubilee line to Southwark and then switch to Waterloo East) from Waterloo East onto Charing Cross, which is near Leicester square.

Many thanks

Yes indeed. That is perfectly valid and allowed. You can alight at London Waterloo and walk to London Waterloo East (less than 60 seconds walk) and then get a train from London Waterloo East to London Charing Cross with a ticket to or from "London Terminals".

 

[swt_passenger]

Yes. From most of the SWT area, London Terminals includes all of Victoria, Vauxhall, Waterloo, Waterloo East, Charing Cross, Blackfriars, Cannon St, London Bridge and City Thameslink. On the Weymouth line you may also use Paddington.

Your ticket will be returned at Waterloo to allow for this onward use. However in my experience it may not work the Waterloo East barriers.

It would not cover LU transfer, however this would be a pointless exercise really, as the walk around the underground passageways at both stations (and any time on the tube) is almost certainly significantly longer than walking over the bridge between Waterloo and Waterloo East, which should really be considered parts of the same complex, (although they have separate gatelines.

 

[talldave]

FWIW, Southeastern issued London Terminals tickets do operate both Waterloo and Waterloo East barriers, so I don't see why SWT's couldn't.

But, platform to platform, the walk is a little more than 60s!

 

[Barn]

Of course, if it's a sunny day, the walk from Waterloo to Charing Cross is a pleasant 10 minute stroll across the bridge.

 

[swt_passenger]

FWIW, Southeastern issued London Terminals tickets do operate both Waterloo and Waterloo East barriers, so I don't see why SWT's couldn't.

I've never researched why, but only on Monday this week I had a ticket to London Terminals from Eastleigh, printed on the station Parkeon TOD machine, that came up with seek assistance on entry to the Waterloo East barrier line and again at Charing Cross exit. Staff let me through no problem both times.

 

[PeterC]

Assuming that the barriers are correctly programmed it suggests that staff are making rules up as they go along again, only this time in your favour.

For anybody except a rail enthusiast it isn't a realistic journey, by the time you have trecked to the Waterloo East platform you could have walked half way to Charing Cross anyway.

 

[30907]

Assuming that the barriers are correctly programmed it suggests that staff are making rules up as they go along again, only this time in your favour.

Don't quite understand your point. If you are referring to gateline staff at Waterloo East, they are simply allowing a clearly permitted journey.

See swt_passenger's post earlier.

 

[simonw]

When I've done this, my ticket has always been accepted by the gates at Waterloo East but rejected by those at Charing Cross. However, it has always been fine the other way.

 

[Hadders]

Assuming that the barriers are correctly programmed it suggests that staff are making rules up as they go along again, only this time in your favour.

For anybody except a rail enthusiast it isn't a realistic journey, by the time you have trecked to the Waterloo East platform you could have walked half way to Charing Cross anyway.

Barriers are rarely programmed correctly. Thankfully barriers do not determine validity, this is determined by various things including the individual ticket restrictions, the permitted routes, railcard restrictions etc.

I can give plenty examples where perfectly valid tickets have been rejected by barriers - nothing to do with being a rail enthusiast.

 

[Paul Kelly]

I would go further: it's theoretically impossible for barriers to be programmed correctly. The magnetic stripe on a ticket does not contain enough information in order to unambiguously determine whether it is valid or not.

 

[yorkie]

Assuming that the barriers are correctly programmed...

How do you define that? Depending on your definition, it may be impossible.

it suggests that staff are making rules up as they go along again, only this time in your favour.

I wonder if you've been reading another thread? Everything in this thread prior to your post was correct.

For anybody except a rail enthusiast it isn't a realistic journey, by the time you have trecked to the Waterloo East platform you could have walked half way to Charing Cross anyway.

That's not true.

 

[PeterC]

That's not true.

From the location given on your post you clearly have a far more intimate knowledge of London's geography than somebody who has lived there for their whole life.

 

[Lrd]

From the location given on your post you clearly have a far more intimate knowledge of London's geography than somebody who has lived there for their whole life.

You clearly haven't spent much time at Waterloo. There is quite a fair amount of people getting off SW trains and making the walk to East to catch another train.

 

[hassaanhc]

For anybody except a rail enthusiast it isn't a realistic journey, by the time you have trecked to the Waterloo East platform you could have walked half way to Charing Cross anyway.

How? According to Google Maps, it takes 16 minutes to walk from Waterloo to Charing Cross over the Golden Jubilee bridges, whereas you could walk to Waterloo East and get to Charing Cross by train in 10 minutes (including walking time over the footbridge at Waterloo). And for the exact same fare, whether paper ticket or Oyster.
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From the location given on your post you clearly have a far more intimate knowledge of London's geography than somebody who has lived there for their whole life.

Just because you're familiar and confident with various walking routes in Central London, doesn't mean everyone else is :roll:. I've lived in London all my life (I'm 22), and I would never go for that walk.

 

[AlterEgo]

You clearly haven't spent much time at Waterloo. There is quite a fair amount of people getting off SW trains and making the walk to East to catch another train.

Indeed. I commute in and out of Waterloo and a lot of people do head up to the East station. It is not a long walk. If I had to get to Charing Cross I would certainly use the train.

 

[planetf1]

Wow id never even think of getting the train to charing cross unless it was very bad weather or due o illness/disability but then I love walking when I can


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[Panda]

I have travelled on various SWT tickets to London Terminals for over 6 years and frequently exit Waterloo NR, walk up the escalator to Waterloo East and then take a train to Charing Cross and similarly do the return. I have never had an issue with ticket acceptance.

I love walking too and I am a fast walker, but going via Waterloo East is significantly quicker if you are in a rush and there are no delays. (It is also much quicker than taking the tube direct, which is not an option on the terminals ticket).