• Our new ticketing site is now live! Using either this or the original site (both powered by TrainSplit) helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchase! Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread!

The Burtonport Extension of the Londonderry and Lough Swilly Railway

Status
Not open for further replies.
Joined
21 Feb 2018
Messages
771
In April 2023 we stayed close to Burtonport, adjacent to Loch Meela, in Co. Donegal. On the first full day of our stay, we walked the Burtonport Old Railway Walk. A 6km length of the Burtonport extension of the Londonderry & Lough Swilly Railway has been made into an accessible path. The weather was great and the walk very enjoyable. We were impressed by the investment in the walk made by the local community and Donegal County Council.

The original line ran from Derry to Letterkenny and was later extended to Burtonport. ...


After the closure of the line it seems that it remained undisturbed for many years. Apparently, in 2009, however, there was a heavy snowfall, and some of the old railway line was cleared to access water mains that needed repairing. The remaining section was later cleared and gradually developed as a walkway with the support of the local community. A massive effort has gone into creating this beautiful and peaceful walk.
 
Last edited:
Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; click here to register, or click here to log in
R

RailUK Forums

Calthrop

Established Member
Joined
6 Dec 2015
Messages
3,565
@rogerfarnworth : you and me and the Irish narrow gauge ! -- the thought is prompted, "the gift which keeps on giving": I've always found the L & LSR enchanting -- especially its wonderfully wilderness-traversing Extensions. The only specific first-hand account which I've ever found, of travelling throughout on the Burtonport extension; is a marvellous one which I've cited more than once before on these Forums. It's by the late J.I.C. Boyd -- chronicler par excellence of the British Isles narrow gauge -- in his book (2006, written in his extreme but still on-the-ball old age) Saga By Rail -- Ireland. Tells of an epic venture of his in summer 1939, on the eve of World War II -- aged I think not quite twenty, staying with a school-friend in Portadown -- a wondrous two-day expedition Portadown -- Burtonport and back. He was in the very nick of time: the final dozen or so miles of the Burtonport line, beyond Gweedore, would close for good less than a year thence; Letterkenny to Gweedore got -- after organisational to-ing-and-fro-ing -- a wartime reprieve, but was abandoned in early 1947 -- the war meant that Boyd was otherwise engaged, and could not revisit Ireland until the very late 1940s.

A journey to envy most acutely -- and mouth-wateringly recounted in the book: out from Portadown, on the Great Northern of Ireland's "Derry Road" as far as Strabane, then County Donegal Joint (railcar) to Letterkenny, to catch the evening mixed train for Burtonport. That run proved fascinating, and scenically enchanting, but in some ways rather rugged. The L & LSR was then in poorish shape financially and equipment-wise -- the mixed train's coaches were in uncomfortably bad repair, with the windows not properly closeable (cold after dark, even in midsummer as it was). Train departed late, and lost further time en route; the last hour or so was cold and in the dark (no functional lighting in coaches) -- train reached Burtonport more than an hour late (a bit past 10 PM). Boyd found accommodation for the night -- decidedly "basic", but with a splendid breakfast in the morning; cost him one shilling and sixpence (landlady was a bit diffident about this, fearing that she might be ripping him off).

His return journey -- morning train ex Burtonport at 0830 -- was somewhat more comfortable: he took this train right through to Londonderry (Graving Dock), thence to the city's GNR(I) station, and back by the broad-gauge main line through to Portadown. Given the often-imagined magical opportunity for a 24-hour spell at some destination in the past: I can see opting for the "core highlights" of this journey of Boyd's ...
 
Last edited:

Sir Felix Pole

Established Member
Joined
21 Oct 2012
Messages
1,323
Location
Wilmslow
The original 1853 Lough Swilly company continued to operate buses until its sad demise in 2014, making it the longest serving 'railway' company in Ireland and the UK. Interestingly in the rather vague 'National Rail Plan for Ireland' a new rail link to Letterkenny is proposed - whether any of the L & LSR from Londonderry / Derry would be repurposed is not clear - it was rather indirect.
 
Joined
21 Feb 2018
Messages
771
Yes, the whole line meandered around quite a lot - the line to Burtonport took nowhere near the most direct route!
 

Calthrop

Established Member
Joined
6 Dec 2015
Messages
3,565
Wasn't the Burtonport extension -- and its counterpart further east on the system, Buncrana -- Carndonagh -- set up with the assistance of government funding, as part of an official initiative to "open up", and improve conditions in, especially poor and remote regions? Circuitous routes being maybe a function of these intentions: planned to at least kind-of serve plenty of different places in the area; rather than to make beelines for particular goals?
 

stuu

Established Member
Joined
2 Sep 2011
Messages
3,403
Thanks for sharing. The Irish narrow gauge has long fascinated me, it is a shame none of it survived intact. Although not entirely surprising given the nature of a lot of the countryside it served
 
Joined
21 Feb 2018
Messages
771
Wasn't the Burtonport extension -- and its counterpart further east on the system, Buncrana -- Carndonagh -- set up with the assistance of government funding, as part of an official initiative to "open up", and improve conditions in, especially poor and remote regions? Circuitous routes being maybe a function of these intentions: planned to at least kind-of serve plenty of different places in the area; rather than to make beelines for particular goals?
There is some truth in this, Calthrop. Although somehow the extension contrived to miss virtually all the centres of population by a few miles. If it was a compromise, it was one of the factors which led to the line being uneconomic.
 

DerekC

Established Member
Joined
26 Oct 2015
Messages
2,287
Location
Hampshire (nearly a Hog)
Wasn't the Burtonport extension -- and its counterpart further east on the system, Buncrana -- Carndonagh -- set up with the assistance of government funding, as part of an official initiative to "open up", and improve conditions in, especially poor and remote regions? Circuitous routes being maybe a function of these intentions: planned to at least kind-of serve plenty of different places in the area; rather than to make beelines for particular goals?
A quick look at the excellent maps provided free by the Ordnance Survey of Ireland reveals both just how indirect the route was - 49.5 miles by train compared with 29.5 miles as the Lapwing flies - and why a direct route would have been both physically very difficult and economically even more catastrophic. It would have gone straight across the Derryveagh Mountains, which rise to over 1500 feet in places, through an area which on the modern population map shows less than 10 people per square kilometre all the way.

As regards the financing of the L&LSR in general - it was messy! Precising the relevant paragraphs of Thomas Middlemass's "Encycopaedia of Narrow Gauge Railways of Britain and Ireland" - the original section between Londonderry and Buncrana was built to standard Irish gauge in the 1860s with private finance. The second section, also to be standard gauge, to run from Letterkenny to join the first section at Tooban Junction, was started in 1863 by private enterprise but soon put on hold by lack of capital. Nothing much happened until the 1880s, when the various Donegal local authorities agreed to part-finance the project provided it was built to 3ft gauge. However the private capital element ws still not forthcoming and it wasn't until 1883 that the Government (Board of Trade) agreed to provide an £85,000 loan secured by a mortgage on the railway's assets. That worked and the Letterkenny line opened the same year. Within two years the company defaulted on the mortgage interest and the Board of Trade assumed nominal ownership, although the company still ran the line.

The Cardonagh Extension opened in 1901 with a government loan, and the Burtonport Extension in 1903 with a government grant of £300,000 plus some local authority finance. It's clear that the route would have been determined by local and national government, but in making sure it went the way it did, they were merely serving the only centres of population there were. The modern map shows higher population density near the coast, so running that way picked up what trade there was and also kept the line away from the mountains.

Conclusion - as very often - our ancestors weren't so stupid! The line was built to provide transport for a population isolated on the north west coast that was better than horse (or maybe donkey) and cart. And no doubt for a few years it did as intended. What they failed to foresee was the transport revolution accelerated by WWI - but they weren't alone in that!

Having said all the above - you do wonder why the route went to Burtonport, rather than Dungloe, about four times the size. It could also have run through Derrybeg & Bunbeg, but that would have made the route even longer.
 
Last edited:

Calthrop

Established Member
Joined
6 Dec 2015
Messages
3,565
Thank you for this travelogue, if that's the "mot juste" -- continues to be fascinating. Quoting, re around Cashelnagor: "[the views taken] emphasise that when the weather was good a ride on the Burtonport Extension Railway would have been quite a special way to experience the beauty of County Donegal".

I find it annoying -- maybe I'm not alone among enthusiasts, in this -- that I read a lot of stuff, often in books / magazines which in one way or another, are borrowed; they go back to source, and years or decades later, I remember neither the source / book title, nor the author. One such case: I recall reading a reminiscence by a British-citizen railway enthusiast (wasn't Boyd, whoever it might have been) who travelled on a Letterkenny -- Gweedore working in summer 1946 (the line's last year of operation). I understand that in the L & LSR's declining years, goods trains had passenger accommodation, on which the public could travel on payment of fare (scheduling / timing understood as basically, "we get there when we do"); however, the crew let the writer travel on the loco footplate -- it was a beautiful summer's day -- as one knows, not to be taken for granted in these parts: he wrote appreciatively of the scenic beauties of the run, with views northward over the sea and of Tory Island, off the north coast. (Boyd in his book, is also appreciative of the lovely scenery on these stretches.)

The guy's 1946 account (I do wish it were possible for me to re-access) is another of those very enviable experiences; especially in that -- as with Boyd re the last stretch to Burtonport seven years previously -- the whole set-up would very shortly cease to be. I recall the 1946 account mentioning that while the loco was in good shape: everything else was observably falling apart and no longer safe -- abandonment in early 1947, as did happen, probably inevitable; had it not been for freakish wartime conditions, everything west of Letterkenny would indeed have been abandoned w.e.f 1940.

A "matter arising", not previously thought of: mention in posted material, of numerous crossing-keepers' cottages. I'd thought or perhaps not-thought -- probably naively -- that in these sparsely-populated regions, with line inaugurated in the infancy of the road motor area: there would have been no need for guarded level crossings, and all would have been unguarded. "Engaging brain" a bit -- of course, not so: in the then UK throughout the 19th and early 20th centuries, level crossings' being gated, was mandatory (whether this altogether made sense, or was an early "nanny state" manifestation, is probably a different question). The 1896 Light Railways Act allowed for ungated crossings on lines created under same (though with heavy metaphorical prices to pay for this concession) -- but if I have things rightly, the L & LS's extensions were not under the "writ" of the Light Railways Act. And, various factors -- with the philanthropic side to the extensions in wild and remote regions: it was perhaps envisaged that numerous gated LCs with their need for keepers, would help in creating much-needed employment? Later on, with rural rail lines suffering under road competition: there were such routes in various parts of these islands, whose numerous manned LCs were a factor in their being found desperately unremunerative, this contributing to the lines' being condemned and closed. The level-crossing business is a potentially odd / controversial / contentious one...
 
Joined
21 Feb 2018
Messages
771
It is indeed beautiful.

Like you, I cannot identify specific examples, but I have seen them, of crossing keepers often being female. I wonder whether this means that their income was a supplement to the family's income and the house was seen as a significant benefit which limited the actual remuneration for the job.

It might be interesting to have sight of how much land was allocated to the crossing cottages at different locations to see how self-sufficient a crossing keeper's family may have been. It would also be interesting to find out what other jobs existed on the lines, .... maintenance roles.

I wonder whether anyone else might have reflections on this?
 

Elwyn

Member
Joined
5 May 2014
Messages
491
Location
Co. Antrim, Ireland
I had a look at the 1911 Irish census of Co. Donegal. There were 356 people with “railway” as part of their occupation. 354 males. Only 2 women, both widows and both were gate keepers. I suspect if women did work the gates more widely it may have been that their husbands were railway employees but in practice they shared the task. So perhaps an unofficial arrangement?

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Donegal/Clogher/Drumnagahan/477923/

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Donegal/Bonnyglen/Cranny_Lower/480677/

The censuses are full of railway clerks and platelayers in Donegal, and of course a lot of the narrow gauge staff were based in Cos Tyrone & Londonderry so the railways provided more employment in the county than just the 356 recorded in the Donegal census.
 
Joined
21 Feb 2018
Messages
771
I had a look at the 1911 Irish census of Co. Donegal. There were 356 people with “railway” as part of their occupation. 354 males. Only 2 women, both widows and both were gate keepers. I suspect if women did work the gates more widely it may have been that their husbands were railway employees but in practice they shared the task. So perhaps an unofficial arrangement?

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Donegal/Clogher/Drumnagahan/477923/

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Donegal/Bonnyglen/Cranny_Lower/480677/

The censuses are full of railway clerks and platelayers in Donegal, and of course a lot of the narrow gauge staff were based in Cos Tyrone & Londonderry so the railways provided more employment in the county than just the 356 recorded in the Donegal census.
That is interesting, Elwyn. Thank you for taking the trouble to look this out.
 

341o2

Established Member
Joined
17 Oct 2011
Messages
1,919
Wasn't the Burtonport extension -- and its counterpart further east on the system, Buncrana -- Carndonagh -- set up with the assistance of government funding, as part of an official initiative to "open up", and improve conditions in, especially poor and remote regions? Circuitous routes being maybe a function of these intentions: planned to at least kind-of serve plenty of different places in the area; rather than to make beelines for particular goals?
I believe it was, And another account of the Irish n/g railways may be found in Patrick Whitehouse's On The Narriow Gauge, including an eyewitness account of the Owencarrow accident.
Whitehouse recounts another incident on the L&LSR where an engine derailed and ended up sinking in a peat bog.

At one time, short of motive power, the Co Donegal was approached regarding the loan of an engine, the reply was given the Irregulars of Burtonport and the bogs of Dungloe, it would be doubtful that it would be returned.

Local humour had it that L&LSR trains ran to where no one wanted to go, and another joke (which I have also heard regarding the old Ghan line in Australia), there's this girl who keeps asking the guard when they will be reaching Burtonport, in the end, he asks why
"I'm pregnant"
"You shouldn't have boarded this train in your condition"
"When I did, I wasn't"
 

Calthrop

Established Member
Joined
6 Dec 2015
Messages
3,565
Local humour had it that L&LSR trains ran to where no one wanted to go, and another joke (which I have also heard regarding the old Ghan line in Australia), there's this girl who keeps asking the guard when they will be reaching Burtonport, in the end, he asks why
"I'm pregnant"
"You shouldn't have boarded this train in your condition"
"When I did, I wasn't"

I've always liked the similar-themed one about the Highland Railway: "the driver sows seeds, and the guard picks the flowers".
 

341o2

Established Member
Joined
17 Oct 2011
Messages
1,919
There is also

A curious race has come to pass
Between an engine and an ass,
The Wantage Tram, all steam and smoke,
Was beat by Arthur Hitchcock’s moke.

Returning to the L&LS, it had both 4-8-4T's and 4-8-0's to work the extensions. As well as several stations being remote, things were not improved by shunting of freight, rather like the original Welsh Highland. In fact, some claimed it treated freight better than passengers.
There are also tales of cross border contraband and fares being paid by other means than money.

The final service was the 2,15pm Letterkenny to Derry, 8 August 1953. The train included 14 wagons of cattle. The Derry Journal reported as it left, the guard did not announce "Next stop Derry", because everyone knew that this would be the last stop forever
 

341o2

Established Member
Joined
17 Oct 2011
Messages
1,919
There are videos on Youtube, including ones taken live during the final years


Thanks for sharing. The Irish narrow gauge has long fascinated me, it is a shame none of it survived intact. Although not entirely surprising given the nature of a lot of the countryside it served
There are five museums either concerned with, or have a section devoted to the Co Donegal, although one's future is uncertain. (not including the IOMR)
two of the Co Donegal railcars went to the Isle of Man
for about 10 years, a section of the Tralee & Dingle was reopened, with plans to restore 5T to working order. nothing has run for the most recent 10 years, 5T is currently stored undercover, so at least it won't deteriorate

From Wiki re the Co Donegal

  • Steam locomotives: 2 Blanche (UFTM), 4 Meenglas (FVR), 5 Drumboe (RPSI), 6 Columbkille (FVR)
  • Diesel locomotives: 11 Phoenix (UFTM)
  • Diesel railcars: 1 (UFTM), 10 (UFTM), 12 (FVR), 15 (DRC), 18 (FTR), 19 (IOMR), 20 (IOMR)
  • Carriages: 1 (UFTM), 3 (UFTM), 5 (DRC) 14 (FVR), 28 (DRC), 30 (FVR)
  • Goods wagons: 12 (DRC), 19 (FVR), 136 (UFTM), Unidentified horsebox (RPSI), Unidentified Van (DRC)
UFTM = Ulster Folk & Transport Museum; FVR = Foyle Valley Railway; RPSI = Railway Preservation Society of Ireland; FTR = Fintown Railway; DRC = Donegal Railway Centre; IOMR = Isle of Man Railway
 
Last edited:

Calthrop

Established Member
Joined
6 Dec 2015
Messages
3,565
Returning to the L&LS, it had both 4-8-4T's and 4-8-0's to work the extensions. As well as several stations being remote, things were not improved by shunting of freight, rather like the original Welsh Highland. In fact, some claimed it treated freight better than passengers.
There are also tales of cross border contraband and fares being paid by other means than money.

The final service was the 2,15pm Letterkenny to Derry, 8 August 1953. The train included 14 wagons of cattle. The Derry Journal reported as it left, the guard did not announce "Next stop Derry", because everyone knew that this would be the last stop forever
There are videos on Youtube, including ones taken live during the final years

This which you furnish, video-wise: absolutely fascinating -- thanks.

The L & LS and its catering for passengers -- featuring something of an "upside" as well; I find interesting the accounts of how in the railway's final years, after the end of advertised passenger services: all goods trains ran with a brake-third coach, in which passengers were welcome to travel on payment of the appropriate fare (basically no timetableing as such: "you got there when you did"). Perhaps a bit surprisingly, it seems that more than a tiny number of local people did take advantage of this facility -- as featured on the video here as above.

A couple of decades ago, I worked for a while with a colleague who was of an age to have done National Service in the very early 1950s. His service was in the Navy: he was a chatty soul, and in reminiscing about this episode, he told of how for a while, he was stationed in [London]derry; mentioning how in spells of leisure, he and his chums in the unit were wont to go into the Republic to sample the joys of Buncrana (seemingly their doing this, involved no political-type problems). The thing which one tends to find in this hobby: we do occasionally encounter a reference in "normal-people" terms, to one of the somewhat obscure rail venues of times past which are "household words" to us. To the best of my remembrance, this is the only time I've ever come across any mention of Buncrana outside of railway-hobby material, or guide-books to the region. Rather against my better judgement, I couldn't refrain from mentioning to my colleague that in the years of which he was speaking: he could if he wanted, have got to and from Buncrana in the passenger coach of an L & LSR goods train. He of course reckoned this, a bit of a weird thing for me to come out with -- justifiably: who in his then situation, who wasn't a loon of our variety; would have done the journey thus, when there was a perfectly good -- and no doubt more comfortable -- bus service?

The last train, 8 / 8 / 1953, as above: it's always struck me as an odd coincidence that as at the highly-early-'50s, five 3ft. gauge systems survived in Ireland -- two of them, by then of the status of fading "ghost lines" on the point of expiry (though accessible to enthusiasts, and much visited by them): the "core" L & LS, and the Tralee & Dingle with its monthly cattle specials. Then, the end came for those two both in summer 1953 (the T & D's last workings June that month, if I recall correctly); and there were left -- to carry on for the following half-dozen years, after which they closed in rapid succession -- just three survivors: West Clare, Cavan & Leitrim, and County Donegal Joint (less its anomalous section Strabane -- Derry via Donemana, closed at the end of 1954).
 

DerekC

Established Member
Joined
26 Oct 2015
Messages
2,287
Location
Hampshire (nearly a Hog)
Fascinating stuff. At the risk of going slightly OT, can I ask whether the level crossings issue had a dimension related to Irish history? I have been asking myself that question following a conversation with a CIE guy who drives from Westport to Athlone. We were discussing ways of improving the service, and I suggested increasing the line speed. He made me guess how many level crossings there are on his route, all with PSRs. The answer was 56, in about 80 miles of railway! Did British-based companies build lines on the cheap in Ireland, and avoid spending money on occupation bridges?
 
Joined
21 Feb 2018
Messages
771
I think I have this right. .... The financial mechanisms set up to pay for the light railways which laid the cost of loans on local ratepayers meant that expenditure on the lines was kept to an absolute minimum. This is one of the reasons that narrow gauge railways were preferred to standard gauge.
 

Rescars

Established Member
Joined
25 May 2021
Messages
1,804
Location
Surrey
Have you come across "Fifty years of railway life in England, Scotland and Ireland", by Joseph Tatlow, sometime Geneal Manager of the Midland Great Western? It's free on Project Gutenberg. Written in 1918, this contains, amongst a variety of anecdotes, some interesting insights into the background of light railway development in Ireland and the rationale for the Burtonport Extension.
 

Calthrop

Established Member
Joined
6 Dec 2015
Messages
3,565
Fascinating stuff. At the risk of going slightly OT, can I ask whether the level crossings issue had a dimension related to Irish history? I have been asking myself that question following a conversation with a CIE guy who drives from Westport to Athlone. We were discussing ways of improving the service, and I suggested increasing the line speed. He made me guess how many level crossings there are on his route, all with PSRs. The answer was 56, in about 80 miles of railway! Did British-based companies build lines on the cheap in Ireland, and avoid spending money on occupation bridges?
I think I have this right. .... The financial mechanisms set up to pay for the light railways which laid the cost of loans on local ratepayers meant that expenditure on the lines was kept to an absolute minimum. This is one of the reasons that narrow gauge railways were preferred to standard gauge.

Realising -- topics here about which I really don't know anything (would be glad to learn from folk more clued-up about same): vague speculating ensues... in the era of the establishing and growth of Britain's rail system (all Ireland then part of the UK, though with differences) -- as of at least some way into time of great growth of system, did the builders of new railways in Great Britain go in for crossing roads per level-crossing, when possible? -- one would think that for initial construction at any rate, that would -- wherever in the British Isles -- be cheaper than "doing bridges". One also reasons that low-lying, gentle / flattish terrain lends itself more to level crossings, than does more hilly such; where by the nature of things, levels would more frequently be different anyway.

There's the cliche about Ireland, that at least in the northern half of the island: tendency is for beautiful hilly / mountainous scenery to be around the coasts; while inland, it's mostly scenically low-lying -- flat; or small, gentle hills. From the physical map, it looks as though the Westport -- Athlone route falls into the "low-lying" category -- wouldn't pretty well anyone constructing a line on that route, be likely to opt for lots of level crossings; just because of layout and terrain?

Such musings rather fall down in respect of L & LSR extensions: through very hilly terrain, but seemingly level crossings abounded nonetheless. As said -- all stuff which is largely a mystery to me !

Have you come across "Fifty years of railway life in England, Scotland and Ireland", by Joseph Tatlow, sometime Geneal Manager of the Midland Great Western? It's free on Project Gutenberg. Written in 1918, this contains, amongst a variety of anecdotes, some interesting insights into the background of light railway development in Ireland and the rationale for the Burtonport Extension.

Sounds highly interesting -- must seek out !
 
Joined
21 Feb 2018
Messages
771
Have you come across "Fifty years of railway life in England, Scotland and Ireland", by Joseph Tatlow, sometime Geneal Manager of the Midland Great Western? It's free on Project Gutenberg. Written in 1918, this contains, amongst a variety of anecdotes, some interesting insights into the background of light railway development in Ireland and the rationale for the Burtonport Extension.
That sounds interesting.

I have just read Tatlow's introduction which seems very evocative. In the context of this thread and as Project Gutenberg allows it, I thought it worth reproducing here:

North-West Donegal. A fine afternoon in September. The mountain ranges were bathed in sunshine and the scarred and seamy face of stern old Errigal seemed almost to smile. A gentle breeze stirred the air and the surface of the lakes lay shimmering in the soft autumnal light. The blue sky, flecked with white cloudlets, the purple of the heather, the dark hues of the bogs, the varied greens of bracken, ferns and grass, the gold of ripening grain, and the grey of the mountain boulders, together formed a harmony of colour which charmed the eye and soothed the mind.

I had been travelling most of the day by railway through this delightful country, not by an express that rushed you through the scenery with breathless haste, but by an easy-going mixed train which called at every station. Sometimes its speed reached twenty-five miles an hour, but never more, and because of numerous curves and gradients—for it was a narrow gauge and more or less a surface line—the rate of progress was much less during the greater part of the journey.

The work of the day was over. My companion and I had dined at the Gweedore Hotel, where we were staying for the night. With the setting sun the breeze had died away. Perfect stillness and a silence deep, profound and all-pervading reigned. I had been talking, as an old pensioner will talk, of bygone times, of my experiences in a long railway career, and my companion, himself a rising railway man, seemed greatly interested. As we sauntered along, the conversation now and again lapsing into a companionable silence, he suddenly said: “Why don’t you write your reminiscences? They would be very interesting, not only to us younger railway men, but to men of your own time too.” Until that moment I had never seriously thought of putting my reminiscences on record, but my friend’s words fell on favourable ground, and now, less than a month since that night in Donegal, I am sitting at my desk penning these opening lines.

Chapter 18 of Tatlow's book (above) contains a discussion about the Light Railways (Ireland) Act. ... (It is a long quote):

In the year 1889 a great fillip was given to the extension of railways in Ireland by the passing of the Light Railways (Ireland) Act. It was familiarly known as “Balfour’s Act.” Mr. Balfour was then Chief Secretary of Ireland, and it was due to him that it was passed. The Act was designed “to facilitate the construction of Light Railways in Ireland,” and embodied various recommendations of the Allport Commission. It was the first introduction of the principle of State aid by free money grants. Such aid was conditional upon the light railway being constructed or worked by an existing railway company, except in cases where the Baronies guaranteed dividends upon a portion of the capital. The amount which the Treasury was authorised to grant was £600,000. In 1896 this was increased by a further sum of £500,000, and both were, in addition to a capital sum, represented by £40,000 per annum which had been granted under previous legislation. Under this Act and Acts of 1890 and 1896, over 300 miles, comprising 15 separate lines, were constructed at a total cost, exclusive of what the railway companies contributed, of £1,849,967, of which the Government contribution was £1,553,967. Although the lines were promoted under Light Railway Acts, and the Government grants were based upon light railway estimates, Parliamentary power was obtained to construct, maintain, and work them as other than light railways. This was taken advantage of by some of the working companies who, in eight instances contributed themselves a considerable amount of capital, in order that the lines should be made sound and substantial, of the usual gauge, and such as could be worked by the ordinary rolling stock of the company. The Midland Great-Western, for instance, so expended no less than £352,000 of their capital on “Balfour Lines” in the west. It was a spirited thing to do.

Of the 309 miles of “light” railways, made under the 1889 and subsequent Acts, 194 were constructed on the ordinary gauge of the country, 5 feet 3 inches, and the remainder on a 3-foot gauge.

Several Light Railway or Tramway Acts were passed in Ireland between 1860 and 1883, under which 295 miles of light railways at a cost of £1,389,784 were constructed. With the exception of the small sum of £144,804, the interest on the whole of this capital was guaranteed by the Baronies, the Treasury repaying the Baronies one-half but not to exceed two per cent.

The lines constructed under “Balfour’s Act” are situated mostly in Connemara, Kerry, Mayo and Donegal, serving districts remote and thinly populated, where as commercial ventures they could not have been projected. That they have proved to be of great benefit to the country is beyond question. They have developed fishing and agriculture, and have brought the tourist into districts little visited before. Live stock and farm produce are able to reach their market, and places before isolated are in touch with the outer world.

One of the first of the railways made under the 1889 Act was a short line of 8 miles from the County Down line at Downpatrick to the little fishing village of Ardglass. It stood first on the list of lines recommended for construction in the Report of the Allport Commission. Primarily it was intended for the development of the herring traffic which for years had abounded on the coast, but no sooner was the line opened, than that perverse migratory fish sought other seas, and did not return to Ardglass for I don’t know how long.

The promotion of the Ardglass railway, and the steps necessary for obtaining an Order in Council for its construction and working, familiarised me with the Light Railway Legislation of Ireland, with which in subsequent years I was often concerned.

In the autumn of 1889, in company with Mr. Jackson (afterwards Lord Allerton), then Secretary of the Treasury, Mr. Andrews and other directors of the County Down, I visited Ardglass. Under the new Act the Treasury, in connection with the projected railway construction, held the purse strings, and the Treasury, so far as we were concerned, was Mr. Jackson. We of the County Down were keen on getting the line sanctioned, and were very anxious concerning Mr. Jackson’s visit. He was a man who drove a hard bargain, so it was said. Certainly he was an able man, and I greatly admired him that day. Later in life, when he was Lord Allerton, and Chairman of the Great Northern Railway of England, I met him again and liked him well.

In 1889 there were no light railways in Great Britain, or practically none. Except in Ireland they are of modern growth. What really constitutes a light railway it is not easy to say. Commonly it is thought to be a matter of gauge, but that is not so. Mr. Acworth says: “such a definition is in the nature of things impossible,” but that, “a light railway must be something simpler and cheaper than an ordinary railway.” Mr. Cole says that “the natural demand for a definition must he frankly met with the disappointing reply that a hard and fast definition, at once concise, exact, and comprehensive is not forthcoming, and that a partial definition would be completely misleading.” As such authorities are unable to furnish a definition I shall not attempt it, and will content myself with suggesting that the most recognisable feature of a light railway is its light traffic.
 
Last edited:

Rescars

Established Member
Joined
25 May 2021
Messages
1,804
Location
Surrey
That sounds interesting.

I have just read Tatlow's introduction which seems very evocative. In the context of this thread and as Project Gutenberg allows it, I thought it worth reproducing here:



Chapter 18 of Tatlow's book (above) contains a discussion about the Light Railways (Ireland) Act. ... (It is a long quote):
Glad you found the volume in question. Enjoy! Reverting to the matter of level crossings, perhaps one consideration not to be overlooked is the anticipated frequency of trains. Tatlow makes the point that in Ireland the traffic may only justify 5 or 6 trains a day, whilst in England this same volume per hour is not unusual.
 
Joined
21 Feb 2018
Messages
771
I suspect you are right in this assessment, there were a significant number of ungated crossings with no attendant. Train crews were probably responsible for the safe use of these crossings, I suspect.
 

Rescars

Established Member
Joined
25 May 2021
Messages
1,804
Location
Surrey
I suspect you are right in this assessment, there were a significant number of ungated crossings with no attendant. Train crews were probably responsible for the safe use of these crossings, I suspect.
Indeed. And the reality will have been that many of these crossings will have been in remote parts with little non-rail traffic either - and a fair chance that the road users and train crew would know each other anyway.

Reverting to Tatlow, his evocative description of Ballinasloe Fair, with the entire MGWR Board and its senior managers encamped at the station for a week to ensure smooth working and to wine and dine important customers tells of the charms of a long lost way of doing things. Oh the price of progress!
 
Last edited:
Joined
21 Feb 2018
Messages
771
1953. ... August of that year.

This is a note about a visit to Ireland by members of the Light Railway Transport League in June 1953 which included a visit to the L&LSR.

 
Last edited:

Rescars

Established Member
Joined
25 May 2021
Messages
1,804
Location
Surrey
A further contribution from Tatlow. The final chapter of his book recounts his role in conducting an inquiry for the Board of Works which resulted in an order by the Privy Council to place the management of the Burtonport line under his personal supervision for a period of two years in order that many inadequacies that existed at that time could be addressed. Special measures indeed! Sadly he doesn't quote at length from his report - just its damning conclusion. It could be an interesting read. As a document presented to the Privy Council, I assume copies will lurk in archives somewhere.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Top