To and From British Steel Redcar - A Question

[HMS Ark Royal]

Whilst re-reading some of the stuff online about the station, I was reminded once more about the VERY low level of ticket sales registered for the station. This got me thinking...

Now I know that to start a journey you must first buy a ticket or buy one on the train if joining at an unmanned station with no machine there - clearly what RBS has. Now, if I buy a ticket from Darlington to British Steel Redcar and then wish to travel onwards to a new destination, is it perfectly legal and a valid move to remain on the same train and purchase a ticket naming RBS as my origin station? I'm surely not doing a break in my journey as it would count as a brand new one, right...?

 

[455driver]

As long as the train calls there yes it's perfectly fine.

 

[syorksdeano]

On a number of occasions I have already been on the train and extended my journey.

In fact just last week I was travelling from Walsall to Sheffield and partway through my journey found out I was to go to Leeds.

They quite happily sold me a ticket from Sheffield to Leeds on the train. No questions asked

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

Hmm, I spy an idea forming to keep the station open by showing there is a "demand" for the service to be increased!

Thank you for the advice and confirmation. I did ask Northern's twitter team about remaining on 2D10 and 2D41, but they were unable to advise, so I came here instead. I was fairly sure it would count as a new journey, but wanted to double check before making any plans. I can imagine the look on the guard's face when I explain my reasoning!

 

[Starmill]

As long as the train calls there yes it's perfectly fine.

I think the world has imploded, as we are on completely opposite sides of the debate to usual.

If you board a train at Darlington, there are facilities there to buy a ticket. Presumably the ticket office will be open?

The NRCoC says you need to buy all of your tickets before boarding to use them for one journey. Now you are going to claim that you are making more than one journey on the same train? Good luck with that!

Happily, this doesn't seem to preclude doing what you want to do. Ask at the ticket office at Darlington for a ticket to Redcar British Steel and a ticket from there to wherever you want to go.

I advise strongly against trying to buy onboard on the basis of the train having called at an unmanned station which you didn't actually join the train at - even if there are no facilities, there might have been a revenue block there unbeknownst to you.

I appreciate that that's wildly unlikely in the case of Redcar British Steel, and the very strong possibility is that the guard would just sell what you ask for. But in policy terms....

 

[34D]

I agree with starmill here.

 

[ooo]

Perhaps buy them online

 

[cuccir]

I suppose you could get off, see the honkingly massive steel factory, 'have a change of heart', and board again

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

The NRCoC says you need to buy all of your tickets before boarding to use them for one journey

But surely I would have done so as my journey would be from DAR to RBS. Wouldn't RBS to SLB be thought of as a new journey ticketing wise? I did read the rules and it does seem to permit this, but I was not sure and so hence my question here - syorksdeano's account certainly suggests it is permitted

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Received a communication from Northern stating that after checking the rules, so long as I do not leave the station it is entirely allowable to split travel on both 2D10 and 2D41 and remain on the same train. in fact, they find the whole thing rather amusing...

 

[cool110]

Received a communication from Northern stating that after checking the rules, so long as I do not leave the station it is entirely allowable to split travel on both 2D10 and 2D41 and remain on the same train. in fact, they find the whole thing rather amusing...

Even with SSI going into liquidation I think you'll have problems doing that.

 

[alex17595]

I suppose you could get off, see the honkingly massive steel factory, 'have a change of heart', and board again

I don't know what else you would expect from a station with 'British Steel' in its name!

 

[sheff1]

I don't know what else you would expect from a station with 'British Steel' in its name!

Have you never alighted at Belle Vue ?

 

[ainsworth74]

I advise strongly against trying to buy onboard on the basis of the train having called at an unmanned station which you didn't actually join the train at - even if there are no facilities, there might have been a revenue block there unbeknownst to you.

Sorry. I just need to take a moment to try and visualise what a revenue block at RBS might look like...
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Hmm, I spy an idea forming to keep the station open by showing there is a "demand" for the service to be increased!

1) There are no plans currently announced to close the station and it didn't close when the plant was shut down previously.

2) What does it matter if the station closes anyway?

3) I hope you're prepared to buy several thousand tickets as you're probably looking at those sorts of numbers before it makes a real difference.

 

[Gathursty]

Have you never alighted at Belle Vue ?

Flowery Field also adds to the disappointment of nice sounding Manchester stations.

 

[DarloRich]

I think the world has imploded, as we are on completely opposite sides of the debate to usual.

If you board a train at Darlington, there are facilities there to buy a ticket. Presumably the ticket office will be open?

The NRCoC says you need to buy all of your tickets before boarding to use them for one journey. Now you are going to claim that you are making more than one journey on the same train? Good luck with that!

Happily, this doesn't seem to preclude doing what you want to do. Ask at the ticket office at Darlington for a ticket to Redcar British Steel and a ticket from there to wherever you want to go.

I advise strongly against trying to buy onboard on the basis of the train having called at an unmanned station which you didn't actually join the train at - even if there are no facilities, there might have been a revenue block there unbeknownst to you.

I appreciate that that's wildly unlikely in the case of Redcar British Steel, and the very strong possibility is that the guard would just sell what you ask for. But in policy terms....

i doubt very much that the Northern guard on the Saltburn line would care. I agree that i would buy them both at Darlo BUT:

Consider this situation:

you have agreed to meet a friend at station A. You buy a ticket form your home station to station A and board the train. After departure but before station A ( which has not ticketing facilities) your friend rings to say he is stuck at station B having missed his train but knows a good pub there. Station B is a few stops along the same line from station A and served by the train you are on.

how should this be dealt with?

 

[Starmill]

There was a theead where someone claimed something similar happened under Northern's highly controversial scheme. I think they paid their £80.

 

[DaveNewcastle]

Consider this situation:

you have agreed to meet a friend at station A. You buy a ticket form your home station to station A and board the train. After departure but before station A ( which has not ticketing facilities) your friend rings to say he is stuck at station B having missed his train but knows a good pub there. Station B is a few stops along the same line from station A and served by the train you are on.

how should this be dealt with?

A) You tell your friend that you only travel to steel works (open or closed) and don't go to public houses (open or closed).

B) You tell the Guard of your predicament. Being a local and a Northern Rail Guard, they reply with a pointed glare of contempt at your friend's choice of pubs. They recommend a better one near station E.

C) You don't tell the guard about the closing steel works or the open pub and simply ask for another ticket. The Guard replies 'yeah. right. Isn't one enough for you?'

D) You explain everything in painstaking detail to the Guard and ask for their assistance. The Guard says "you must be that bloke off Railforums UK. Sit back and enjoy the journey."

E) You explain everything in painstaking detail to the Guard and ask for their assistance. The Guard says "you must be that bloke off Railforums UK. I'm charging you for a 7-day ALR cos that's what I reckon you really want".

F) Your Guard is also on Railforums UK. He sits opposite you and spends 20 minutes looking for a cheaper way to get to B and never forgetting to get to the doors before a stop. You wish you hadn't asked.

G) Your Guard is not on Railforums UK. He sits opposite you and spends 20 minutes looking for a cheaper way to get to B and never forgetting to get to the doors before a stop. You advise him to join RailforumsUK.

H) You say nothing to the Guard. You tell your friend that you'll meet them at the pub at B. You realise that doing this is contrary to all advice that would ever be approved by this forum. You realise that this is what hundreds of passengers do every day. You know that a handful of them are detected evading their fare. You like to play roulette.

 

[DarloRich]

aha you fell for the oldest trick in the book - i don't have any friends

 

[paddington]

I advise strongly against trying to buy onboard on the basis of the train having called at an unmanned station which you didn't actually join the train at - even if there are no facilities, there might have been a revenue block there unbeknownst to you.

I don't see how this makes a difference.

If you bought Darlington-British Steel and British Steel-Saltburn online, or both from a ticket office before boarding, then you are in the same position as if you had only bought Darlington-British Steel before boarding and then British Steel-Saltburn from the guard, apart from minor differences on the ticket to indicate where it was bought.

Say there is a revenue block at British Steel which you are unaware of, then you get challenged at Saltburn. You'd just show both tickets. If the G4S type doesn't understand that you can split tickets, then you might have to give some details or something but you won't be penalised in the end.

Also, you'd have the same problem if you had a British-Steel-Saltburn ticket, but boarded at Redcar Central thus missing the revenue block, i.e. not much of a problem - well hopefully not, as I don't venture into Northern-land very often - what would happen if you had a St Helens Junction to Manchester ticket but actually boarded at Patricroft, missing the rev block at St Helens?

If you want to increase the stats of tickets to/from British Steel, just buy them online - then you don't actually have to travel (unless you want to)

 

[Starmill]

I don't see how this makes a difference.

If you bought Darlington-British Steel and British Steel-Saltburn online, or both from a ticket office before boarding, then you are in the same position as if you had only bought Darlington-British Steel before boarding and then British Steel-Saltburn from the guard, apart from minor differences on the ticket to indicate where it was bought.

Correct - if the guard has issued you with the second ticket before the train has departed from British Steel. Given there was a ticket office at Darlington they might not be obliged to do so, and do you want a discount on it? If you have not obtained the second ticket before leaving British Steel, you are in a very different situation.

 

[Haywain]

Whatever the rights or wrongs of buying tickets to or from Redcar British Steel, they are not going to result in the station being kept open. In simple terms, without the steelworls there will be no access of any sort to or from the station and if that is the case Northern will have no cause to stop there.They might eventually go though closure procedures, but this could be a Croxley Green or Sinfin Central, only without the taxi.