Trains stopping at the same station twice

[ReverendFozz]

Is there many services across the country that stop at the same station twice in a short space of time, I know some metro systems do this(T&W) but does it happen on the mainline.

I got a train from Seaham to Thirsk 11 years ago and on the outward it went into Middlesbrough, stopping at Thornaby on the way in, and ten minutes later stopped back at Thornaby, it only stuck out really because the guard made an announcement something like "if you fancy a fag, jump off at Thornaby and we will pick you up on the way back" to which me and a young lady stepped off for an intake of nicotine.

People have told me I dreamt it as I used to like a drink back then, and drank a lot, but I am absolutely convinced of it

 

[CC 72100]

I've been on a Gunnislake - Liskeard service before that went up to Plymouth before going back down towards Cornwall, meaning stopping at Devonport, Dockyard, and Keyham twice.

Service is 2C52 - 17:29 Gunnislake - Liskeard. http://www.opentraintimes.com/schedule/P00611/2013-07-18

 

[steamybrian]

Is there many services across the country that stop at the same station twice in a short space of time, I know some metro systems do this(T&W) but does it happen on the mainline.

I got a train from Seaham to Thirsk 11 years ago and on the outward it went into Middlesbrough, stopping at Thornaby on the way in, and ten minutes later stopped back at Thornaby, it only stuck out really because the guard made an announcement something like "if you fancy a fag, jump off at Thornaby and we will pick you up on the way back" to which me and a young lady stepped off for an intake of nicotine.

People have told me I dreamt it as I used to like a drink back then, and drank a lot, but I am absolutely convinced of it

Brighton to Hastings stopping trains stop at Hampden Park station twice whilst en route to reverse at Eastbourne.

 

[northwichcat]

because the guard made an announcement something like "if you fancy a fag, jump off at Thornaby and we will pick you up on the way back" to which me and a young lady stepped off for an intake of nicotine.

These days if the guard was to make such an announcement he/she should make clear that smoking within the station complex is not permitted.

 

[MCR247]

I'm not sure if it still does, but the 2315 St Pancras - Derby via Nottingham used to call at Beeston twice

 

[GatwickDepress]

Brighton to Hastings stopping trains stop at Hampden Park station twice whilst en route to reverse at Eastbourne.

As do the direct peak-time Hastings - London Victoria trains, such as the 06:15 from Hastings and the 16:47 from London Victoria.

 

[ReverendFozz]

These days if the guard was to make such an announcement he/she should make clear that smoking within the station complex is not permitted.

Your right, but this was way back in 2001 or 2002.

Also out of the services mentioned in the replies above, do the services make the stops so close together in time

 

[DeeGee]

Georgemas Junction?

 

[tractakid]

Georgemas Junction, on the Far North line, visited twice after doubling back at Thurso.

Some trains run from Manchester Piccadilly to Manchester Piccadilly via Glossop and Hadfield. This visits intermediate stations twice.

There is a London Euston to London Euston service via Northampton, calling at Leighton Buzzard, Bletchley, Milton Keynes Central and Wolverton twice.

 

[GatwickDepress]

Your right, but this was way back in 2001 or 2002.

Also out of the services mentioned in the replies above, do the services make the stops so close together in time

If we take the 10:16 Ore to Brighton service, it arrives/departs Hampden Park at 10:52, arrives Eastbourne 10:57 and departs 11:04, arriving at Hampden Park at 11:07½. They're fairly close together in time. I imagine they'd be closer if it weren't for changing cab ends and allowing other services out of Eastbourne.

There's one regular passenger I've observed who gets off at Hampden Park for a cheeky puff in the cycle bay before reboarding the train sometime later.

 

[Monty]

The Hounslow Rounder services both via Richmond and via Brentford call at Barnes, Putney, Wandsworth Town, Clapham Junction, Queenstown Road and Vauxhall twice before terminating back at London Waterloo.

 

[atillathehunn]

Sorry to ask what I'm sure is a perfectly stupid question, but in the example someone gave above... What's the difference between a train running from Euston to Northampton and back and a train that runs from Euston to Euston via Northampton? Surely every train is the X to X via Y train?

 

[class303]

There is a London Euston to London Euston service via Northampton, calling at Leighton Buzzard, Bletchley, Milton Keynes Central and Wolverton twice.

which service?

 

[northwichcat]

Some trains run from Manchester Piccadilly to Manchester Piccadilly via Glossop and Hadfield. This visits intermediate stations twice.

That's done at peak times to avoid reduce the number of reversals Manchester-Glossop-Hadfield and then Hadfield-Glossop-Manchester, requires 3 reversals in very quick succession.

There is a London Euston to London Euston service via Northampton, calling at Leighton Buzzard, Bletchley, Milton Keynes Central and Wolverton twice.

That sounds similar to the Merseyrail Wirral line services which has Chester-Chester, New Brighton-New Brighton etc. with all stations bar Moorfields, Lime Street and Central being called at twice.

 

[ATW Alex 101]

There are scheduled Romsey-Salisbury services that follow a circular route via Southampton Airport Pkway, Central etc then call at Romsey again.

 

[tractakid]

EUS to EUS...

http://brtimes.com/#board?stn=EUS&filt=EUS&show=dep&date=20130717
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That sounds similar to the Merseyrail Wirral line services which has Chester-Chester, New Brighton-New Brighton etc. with all stations bar Moorfields, Lime Street and Central being called at twice.

Except Capenhurst?

 

[northwichcat]

Except Capenhurst?

I mean all the stations it calls at except the 3 city centre ones I mentioned are called at twice. Capenhurst is either called at in both directions or not at all in either direction, even though for reliability I would have thought it would have been better for all trains to call at Capenhurst in one direction only.

EUS to EUS...

http://brtimes.com/#board?stn=EUS&fi...&date=20130717

It looks like it's 8 carriages between Euston and Northampton and 4 continue to Birmingham and the other 4 return to Euston. So it's more like some Liverpool-Norwich services than Merseyrail but it's reported differently.

 

[snowball]

Not sure whether this counts. In the 1970s I used to travel on the Edinburgh portion of southbound WCML trains that combined with a Glasgow portion at Carstairs. The Edinburgh portion would arrive at the northern platform where passengers could get on and off. The Glasgow portion would then arrive at the other platform facing the other way. The Edinburgh portion would move westwards out of the station, reverse onto the back of the Glasgow portion, and be coupled to it. Passengers would then have another chance to get on and off while the Edinburgh locomotive was uncoupled.

I was never on an equivalent northbound portioned train.

I think there were some three-portioned trains: Liverpool to Glasgow, Manchester to Glasgow and Manchester to Edinburgh.

 

[Paul Kelly]

It looks like it's 8 carriages between Euston and Northampton and 4 continue to Birmingham and the other 4 return to Euston.

It is really just a Euston to Northampton train that, after terminating at Northampton, is coupled to a Birmingham to Euston train coming the other way. So its final destination is in effect Euston.

Seems a bit confusing from the point of view of providing information to passengers, but my assumption is that it has to be shown like this in the schedule data for the benefit of automated signalling control software, which might otherwise get confused about what happened to the unit, and assume it is still blocking the platform or something? I'm really not too sure.

 

[tractakid]

I mean all the stations it calls at except the 3 city centre ones I mentioned are called at twice. Capenhurst is either called at in both directions or not at all in either direction, even though for reliability I would have thought it would have been better for all trains to call at Capenhurst in one direction only.

I thought that Capenhurst WAS called at in one direction only... at least it seems to at the moment with the variant schedule

 

[D6975]

Ther used to be lots of services that called at Haymarket twice, reversing at Waverley. Not so many nowadays I suspect

 

[PHILIPE]

This has been changed now and they are now 2 separate trains from Teherbert to Cardiff Central and Cardiff Central to Treherbert or vice versa andwhich form each other. When there is an MGR path through Cardiff Queen St, a Treherbert service has to run fast via the City Line and sits at Radyr to await it's normal path. At one time we had a Tr4eherbert to Treherbert service service calling twice at Radyr and stations north of.

 

[northwichcat]

I thought that Capenhurst WAS called at in one direction only... at least it seems to at the moment with the variant schedule

I selected one service at random before and it didn't show Capenhurst in either direction but trying the departures from 12pm to 1pm from Chester today it seems that is the case.

 

[dannypye9999]

I remember virgin operating a Newcastle to Penzance train via Paignton which Twice would call at Torquay and then Newton Abbot for reverse. Think this was in 1997.

 

[AJP62]

Not sure whether this counts. In the 1970s I used to travel on the Edinburgh portion of southbound WCML trains that combined with a Glasgow portion at Carstairs. The Edinburgh portion would arrive at the northern platform where passengers could get on and off. The Glasgow portion would then arrive at the other platform facing the other way. The Edinburgh portion would move westwards out of the station, reverse onto the back of the Glasgow portion, and be coupled to it. Passengers would then have another chance to get on and off while the Edinburgh locomotive was uncoupled.

I was never on an equivalent northbound portioned train.

I think there were some three-portioned trains: Liverpool to Glasgow, Manchester to Glasgow and Manchester to Edinburgh.

The northbound trains didn't need to do this as the Edinburgh portion was normally on the back and just got left in the platform at Carstairs as the Glasgow portion departed.

This used to require some juggling of portions after the southbound run as the Edinburgh portion would be at the back going south and needed to be swapped round to be on the rear coming north as the Glasgow portion was normally longer and had the catering facilities.

You're right about the three portion trains - lots of brake vehicles in a train of these!

 

[dannypye9999]

That's done at peak times to avoid reduce the number of reversals Manchester-Glossop-Hadfield and then Hadfield-Glossop-Manchester, requires 3 reversals in very quick succession.

Ive seen this on the national rail website the departures for Glossop/Hadfield are displayed like the train is actually running to Manchester Piccadilly.

It would be interesting to know what they display at Manchester Picc on the electronic displays or announced via tannoy?

Does this mean if I wanted to travel from Gorton to Ashburys, I could board at Gorton on a Hadfield bound service, then stay on the train right until it arrives back at Ashburys?


Surely if its advertised like this on the national rail websites then Northern should accept tickets this way.

 

[JamesRowden]

The Glasgow Subway. It takes just 24 minutes to do a circuit.

 

[s2345]

Several of the Fife Circle services that start on the Edinburgh side of the Forth Bridge call at stations on the way to the 'circle' then call again on the way back to Edinburgh. All part of the same service, the train can start and terminate at the same station.

 

[Buttsy]

Any service round the Liverpool Loop will stop at James Street and Hamilton Square twice, or are these show as going to Moorfields/Lime Street/Central inbound?

The Charing Cross/Cannon Street - Slade Green/Crayford - Charing Cross/Cannon Street services would all stop at London Bridge twice at least, or, again, are these shown as separate services outbound and inbound?
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The Romsey - Salisbury '6' services stop at Romsey twice.

 

[tractakid]

Circle Line calls at Edgware Road twice. Also calls at both Paddington stations.